Re: Awards Season 2018
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:28 pm
Then I regret setting this thread on its strange path.
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Re: Awards Season 2018
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:33 pm
Best Animated Film, and the merits of the films nominated in that category, have nothing to do with whether an auteur has been recognized. It's not as though David Cronenberg has made a film that would compete in that category that's being left out in favor of Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse or Happy Feet or whatever else
Re: Awards Season 2018
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:45 pm
The best thing I can say about the Oscars is not the way it pits artists and work against each other in competition - it's that the public recognition encourages others to investigate or at least be aware that there may be people out there who have done work deserving of their attention. That's where I'm coming from. It has nothing to do with whether two people/works are actually in direct competition with each other.
Re: Awards Season 2018
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 11:51 pm
Agreed. Cronenberg isn't even that viable an example considering how he has worked outside the US for most of his career. The lack of Spike Lee wins would at least fit as someone who could have realistically won before and even that is apples to oranges
Re: Awards Season 2018
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:34 am
I'm still so puzzled. Should the Oscars put a moratorium on the Animated Film category until certain people are properly recognized? I don't see the point being made by bringing up Cronenberg or Lee in a grievance about the wrong animated film being nominated this year, and I guess I never will
Re: Awards Season 2018
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:37 am
Every year, people come into the current iteration of the this thread and weigh in on how useless the Oscars are, as though those of us here who follow them see them as the ultimate barometers of quality cinema
Re: Awards Season 2018
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:41 am
I'll be honest I really like the Oscars because I'm a sucker for all the glitz and glam and I have no shame in admitting that.
Re: Awards Season 2018
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:54 am
I never suggested the Oscars were "useless." One can have strong reservations about evaluating an art form like a competition while understanding that a high-profile industry award does actually do something (actually many things) of value beyond that purpose.
This is not what I'm saying at all. Let's just move on.mfunk9786 wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:34 am I'm still so puzzled. Should the Oscars put a moratorium on the Animated Film category until certain people are properly recognized?
Re: Awards Season 2018
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:35 am
Did you miss my apples to oranges line or that I said agreed to Domino? I only brought up Lee to highlight that Cronenberg was a weird example.mfunk9786 wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:34 am I'm still so puzzled. Should the Oscars put a moratorium on the Animated Film category until certain people are properly recognized? I don't see the point being made by bringing up Cronenberg or Lee in a grievance about the wrong animated film being nominated this year, and I guess I never will
Re: Awards Season 2018
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:26 pm
Wasn't directed at the sentiment behind your bringing up Lee, knives. I agree that we can just move on.
Re: Awards Season 2018
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:28 pm
In brighter news, the Detroit Critics Awards nominated Jesse Plemons for Best Supporting Actor
Re: Awards Season 2018
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:11 pm
If this becomes a thing I will be very happy. Still my favorite film of the year.domino harvey wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:28 pm In brighter news, the Detroit Critics Awards nominated Jesse Plemons for Best Supporting Actor
Re: Awards Season 2018
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:33 pm
It's exactly what the Oscars should be rewarding in a Best Supporting acting category, but I sadly doubt it will happen. He absolutely deserves a nom, though-- can you imagine anyone else being as pitch perfect in that role?
Re: Awards Season 2018
Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:51 pm
Cahiers Du Cinema wrote:Top 10 Films of 2018.
1. The Wild Boys (Bertrand Mandico)
2. Coincoin and the Extra-Humans (Bruno Dumont)
3. Phantom Thread (Paul Thomas Anderson)
4. Burning (Lee Chang-dong)
5. Paul Sanchez est revenu! (Patricia Mazuy)
6. The Post (Steven Spielberg)
7. On the Beach at Night Alone (Hong Sang-soo)
8. The House That Jack Built (Lars von Trier)
9. Leto (Kirill Serebrennikov)
10. Treasure Island (Guillaume Brac)
Re: Awards Season 2018
Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:25 pm
For how long has the Cahiers top ten list went out if it's way to be, if not contrarian, just odd?
The Wild Boys is a decent and fun movie, but no way is it top ten material in any year
The Wild Boys is a decent and fun movie, but no way is it top ten material in any year
Re: Awards Season 2018
Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:30 pm
I don't know if it's to game the overall list or reflective of their true tastes (and possibly both), but a subsection of the critics they poll has routinely in recent years prioritized outsider queer texts over more popularly received ones or other films in general
Re: Awards Season 2018
Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:37 pm
Also, these lists are just laughingly predictable now, as they always fall into the same pattern: a couple movies no one likes, a couple movies everyone likes, an outsider queer film, a popular film that seems completely out of place, and a Hong Sang-soo movie
Re: Awards Season 2018
Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:39 pm
Hong Sang-soo wrote:I want to stop making a movie every year. The Cahiers won't let me.
Re: Awards Season 2018
Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:43 pm
Not to mention that at this point Dumont could just film a burn ward and be called a genius by Cahiers (and he's already like, what, two steps away from this already)
Re: Awards Season 2018
Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:01 pm
domino harvey wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:37 pm Also, these lists are just laughingly predictable now, as they always fall into the same pattern: a couple movies no one likes, a couple movies everyone likes, an outsider queer film, a popular film that seems completely out of place, and a Hong Sang-soo movie
The movies are all tied directly to their auteurist advocacy, as many of disliked or populist ones were directed by someone championed by the magazine. I mean, War of the World was consider the best movie of the 2000's by Cahiers, so you would expect that would translate to supporting The Post as one of the top ten pictures according to their staff.
Re: Awards Season 2018
Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:10 pm
Cahiers is not really affiliated with auturism like they were at the outset. Using Spielberg as an example, no one voted for Ready Player One. You can see outliers better in the individual lists:
Re: Awards Season 2018
Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:11 pm
Even if that were their exact brief, that still allows for a pretty broad range of possibilities, doesn't it? Anyway, while I've only seen three films from that list (On the Beach at Night Alone, Burning and Leto), they're all well-deserved selections.domino harvey wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:37 pm Also, these lists are just laughingly predictable now, as they always fall into the same pattern: a couple movies no one likes, a couple movies everyone likes, an outsider queer film, a popular film that seems completely out of place, and a Hong Sang-soo movie
Re: Awards Season 2018
Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 3:45 pm
At least I discovered that "The Post" has a better French title.
Re: Awards Season 2018
Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:12 pm
It certainly fits their mold to be ahead of the curve, if anything. I'm glad someone is putting this kind of list out instead of shuffling around the same 10 awards contenders (and I say that knowing full well that's how my own Top 10 lists tend to skew)domino harvey wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:30 pm I don't know if it's to game the overall list or reflective of their true tastes (and possibly both), but a subsection of the critics they poll has routinely in recent years prioritized outsider queer texts over more popularly received ones or other films in general
A shocking amount of The Post, thoughdomino harvey wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:10 pm Using Spielberg as an example, no one voted for Ready Player One.