Re: The Wrestler (Darren Aronofsky, 2008)
Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:33 pm
Yeah, how 'bout that Rouke
If they ever get around to making a film on the Von Erich, I would love to see it and I would imagine it being one of the most depressing films around. It's a story that I would be very difficult to shoot and hard to structure.flyonthewall2983 wrote: I pointed out earlier that there is enough backstage drama that's been going on in wrestling for years, that's all ripe for screen adaptation. My dream project would be to be able to tell the story of the Von Erich family, as it's both a bonafide American tragedy and a really fascinating narrative. This documentary does a really good job of painting the picture of what went on in the organization they helped build (and ultimately help destroy).
My other dream project would be to tell a heavily fictional (IE, names changed etc, etc) account of the Monday Night Wars and within that framework, try to put in as much of the backstage stuff that's happened since the 80's. My tongue-in-cheek pitch would be that it's a cross between Network and Gladiator.
Not once, but twice! ](*,)mfunk9786 wrote:Yeah, how 'bout that Rouke
This is true but, like so much similar superficial criticism of Mendes' Revolutionary Road, simply does not go far enough. Because fantasy isn't just some ephemeral projection or appendage. It can be that, of course, but it can also point to deeper conceptual recognitions and available routes for personal transformation through their idealization. Compare the above comments with these from the blog Unemployed Negativity:The Wrestler is about two people whose professions are in some way dependent on 80s-dated, surface oriented ideas of gender and entertainment and escape, who were left behind in a way when pop culture took a turn away from fantasy, towards something supposedly more authentic, more real. But fantasy is a tool that most of us use to deal with reality.
This is one of the best, most attentive readings I've seen yet. While I don't want to go all WSWS on us (unsurprisingly their painfully inattentive critic responded with indifference to the film), I will say that the idea of capitalism as a dictating contextual principle looms huge here and is the source of the film's great strength and power. Aronofsky (of all people!) does right by it as well, never over emphasizing the context as subject. Downplaying that element respects us and the characters because we shouldn't need it spelled out and the characters (specifically Randy of course) live as though it didn't matter or was not ultimately relevant. Randy exists forcefully within his realm and does not question any other surrounding assumptions. This move is far different from condescending to the characters. Aronofsky sympathizes with Randy but most emphatically does not pity him.One of the film’s most interesting scenes follows Randy and another wrestler through one of the many ubiquitous “99 Cent Stores” that can be found throughout this country. The wrestlers scour the cornucopia of commodities searching for cheap aluminum cookie sheets and other things that they can more or less harmlessly beat each other with, drawing a connection between the devalued commodities and their own flesh.
This connection so thoroughly permeates the movie that it could be seen as a corrective to theorists who fail to see the very real and embodied nature of immaterial labor, of the service and entertainment industry. Randy and Candice/Pam, the stripper played by Marisa Tomei, have given their bodies and minds to the production of affects. (Although Randy is definitely worse for wear, but there is something oddly affecting in the scenes where he is shown getting his roots died and going to the tanning salon. The particular aesthetic of pro-wrestling, the odd combination of buff and pretty, makes Randy’s desperate attempt to hold onto his looks fundamentally ambiguous and universal. He could be seen as just an affect of a particular subculture, but there is the way in which he is the subject of a consumer society that valorizes only youth and beauty.)The conflict between these two characters, their difficult relation as stripper and client and friends, raises interesting issues about the nature of alienation in service work. Candice/Pam does not identify with her stage presence, with Candice, keeping it at a distance, preferring instead to see herself as Pam, a mother struggling to raise a boy alone. Randy cannot do this, or at least does not want to, refusing to be called anything but Randy, even at his day job. Randy has no life other than that which the ring provides, his attempts to find another job, to connect with family, all fail. Randy is Lukacs’ picture of the virtuoso, someone who in selling his or her body and soul has nothing left with which to resist. When the applause of the audience dies, when the money ceases to come in, he dies as well.
You stated it perfectly here. Because of this, and of course thanks to the perfect lead performances, I felt the film really transcended its conventional trappings. Just like Eastwood's handling of Gran Torino's cliches, Aronofsky infuses the tropes of The Wrestler with earnestness and meaning. Like exte, I was taken a bit aback by the gore! I guess I wasn't expecting that kind of wrestling. However, I can't understate how much I really loved this movie....he demonstrates an understanding of the style he chooses to apply as well as the tropes he chooses to employ. This enriches the whole experience.
Wow, very cool. I've always been a mark for Piper (his Eastwood analogy is hilarious), when he talks in and out of the ring. It's my honest opinion if any of his passion for wrestling translated into a passion for acting he would have done a lot better than doing the hundred's of bland straight-to-video/DVD action movies he has been doing. I should add that it's really cool to see that he looks like him old self again, I remember for awhile he looked worse for wear because of the Hodgkin's lymphoma he was battling a few years ago.exte wrote:They love it.
I'll go you one better (and that is pretty cool btw). I watched the end credits and there were two that stood out. The first one was that Slash played guitar for the score of the film, the second one being something along the lines of the cast and crew thanking Axl Rose (for use of "Sweet Child Of Mine"). In some perverted way, that must be the only time in the last 12 years Axl and Slash have ever said anything nice to each other.margot wrote:The best part about this movie, and I'm sure it's been mentioned already in this thread, is that Randy drives a Dodge Ram.
...I'm speechless.stroszeck wrote:....shit, and thats why that idiot Sean Penn is gonna his second oscar win for that crappy film where he plays I Am Sam as a gay man.
Naw, man. He won't win. Everybody knows you never go full gay. Check it out. Dustin Hoffman, 'Tootsie,' looked gay, dressed like a woman, not gay. "Brokeback Mountain." Man to man love, yes. Bi-sexual, maybe. But they went home at night and kissed their wives and tucked in their kids. That ain't gay. Dennis as Frank Booth in "Blue Velvet". Diabolical? Yes. Homosexual? No. Penn went full gay, man. Never go full gay.stroszeck wrote:....shit, and thats why that idiot Sean Penn is gonna his second oscar win for that crappy film where he plays I Am Sam as a gay man.
I know this was a joke but what about Phillip Seymour Hoffman as Capote?Joe Buck wrote:Naw, man. He won't win. Everybody knows you never go full gay. Check it out. Dustin Hoffman, 'Tootsie,' looked gay, dressed like a woman, not gay. "Brokeback Mountain." Man to man love, yes. Bi-sexual, maybe. But they went home at night and kissed their wives and tucked in their kids. That ain't gay. Dennis as Frank Booth in "Blue Velvet". Diabolical? Yes. Homosexual? No. Penn went full gay, man. Never go full gay.