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Posted: **Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:45 am**

movielocke, pardon my taking liberties. I added Mr Klein to the "unreleased potential licenses from Studio Canal" group until it officially gets announced in September. I'm hoping this will start more frequent releases for the Studio Canal titles expected to be coming back or new to CC.

movielocke wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:47 am I think this update is correct, but perhaps Frau can correct me if I'm wrong:

20/07/15 update: moved PIerrot le Fou to the re-release section
20/07/15 updated list based on the "getharrypalmer' info down thread
20/10/15 updated: moved three Buneles to re-release section
21/01/15 updated: moved Fellinis to re-release section, with notation, made new section base on possible new SC licenses
21/07/20 Mr Klein add to the "Unreleased potential licenses" column, Studio Canal confirming title to Criterion

Criterion re-releases:
49 Nights of Cabiria (only in Fellini Mega set)
81 Variety Lights (only in Fellini Mega set)
102 The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie
143 That Obscure Object of Desire
189 The White Sheik (only in Fellini Mega set)
205 Lola
290 The Phantom of Liberty
385 Army of Shadows
421 Pierrot le Fou

Criterion Rumored to have

58 Peeping Tom
67 The Blood of a Poet
69 Testament of Orpheus
106 Coup De Torchon
117 Diary of a Chambermaid
129 Le Trou
218 Le Cercle Rouge
222 Diary of a Country Priest
227 Le Corbeau
317 The Tales of Hoffmann
318 Forbidden Games
357 The Fallen Idol
441 The Small Back Room

Lionsgate retained:
64 The Third Man

Lionsgate rumored to retain:
316 Ran

2020/21 SC deal rumored previously off-limits titles now licensed to criterion:
1 Grand Illusion
171 Contempt
304 The Man Who Fell To Earth

no info?:

238 A Woman Is a Woman
424 Mafioso

Kino releases:
25 Alphaville
121 Billy Liar
150 Bob Le Flambeur
193 Quai des Orfèvres
245 Port of Shadows
271 Touchez Pas Au Grisbi
325 Kind Hearts and Coronets
402 The Milky Way
447 Le doulos
478 Last Year At Marienbad
572 Léon Morin, Priest

Essential Art House titles, criterion rumored to have
Gervaise
Le Jour se Leve

Essential Art House titles, no info
Mayerling
The Last Holiday

unreleased potential licenses from Studio Canal
The Card
The Trial
The Crime of Monsieur Lange
The Four Musketeers
The Servant
The Three Musketeers
Mr Klein

Posted: **Tue Aug 10, 2021 3:36 pm**

Movielocke's post still incorrectly lists The Fallen Idol under "Kino releases", which did not happen. It should be under "Criterion Rumored to have".

Posted: **Tue Aug 10, 2021 11:29 pm**

captveg wrote: Tue Aug 10, 2021 3:36 pm Movielocke's post still incorrectly lists The Fallen Idol under "Kino releases", which did not happen. It should be under "Criterion Rumored to have".

Fixed

Posted: **Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:03 am**

Even though we only know Kino doesn't have it and Criterion might that's good enough for me. I would love for an upgrade sooner than later for it.

Posted: **Fri Dec 17, 2021 12:12 am**

Bumped with updates...

FrauBlucher wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:45 am movielocke, pardon my taking liberties. I added Mr Klein to the "unreleased potential licenses from Studio Canal" group until it officially gets announced in September. I'm hoping this will start more frequent releases for the Studio Canal titles expected to be coming back or new to CC.

movielocke wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:47 am I think this update is correct, but perhaps Frau can correct me if I'm wrong:

20/07/15 update: moved PIerrot le Fou to the re-release section
20/07/15 updated list based on the "getharrypalmer' info down thread
20/10/15 updated: moved three Buneles to re-release section
21/01/15 updated: moved Fellinis to re-release section, with notation, made new section base on possible new SC licenses
21/07/20 updated: Mr Klein add to the "Unreleased potential licenses" column, Studio Canal confirming title to Criterion
21/12/16 updated: Mr Klein moved to the "Rumored to have and rumors confirmed " column & Le Circle Rouge UHD added to the re-releases column & Ran UHD moved to Lionsgate Retained column
21/12/17 updated: Variety Lights has been removed as indications show it's no longer a Studio Canal title

Criterion re-releases:
49 Nights of Cabiria (only in Fellini Mega set)
102 The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie
143 That Obscure Object of Desire
189 The White Sheik (only in Fellini Mega set)
205 Lola
218 Le Cercle Rouge UHD
290 The Phantom of Liberty
385 Army of Shadows
421 Pierrot le Fou

Criterion Rumored to have and rumors confirmed
58 Peeping Tom
67 The Blood of a Poet
69 Testament of Orpheus
106 Coup De Torchon
117 Diary of a Chambermaid
129 Le Trou
222 Diary of a Country Priest
227 Le Corbeau
317 The Tales of Hoffmann
318 Forbidden Games
357 The Fallen Idol
441 The Small Back Room
Mr Klein Has been confirmed by a Studio Canal press release on their website

Lionsgate retained:
64 The Third Man
316 Ran UHD

2020/21 SC deal rumored previously off-limits titles now licensed to criterion:
1 Grand Illusion
171 Contempt
304 The Man Who Fell To Earth

no info?:
238 A Woman Is a Woman
424 Mafioso

Kino releases:
25 Alphaville
121 Billy Liar
150 Bob Le Flambeur
193 Quai des Orfèvres
245 Port of Shadows
271 Touchez Pas Au Grisbi
325 Kind Hearts and Coronets
402 The Milky Way
447 Le doulos
478 Last Year At Marienbad
572 Léon Morin, Priest

Essential Art House titles, criterion rumored to have
Gervaise
Le Jour se Leve

Essential Art House titles, no info
Mayerling
The Last Holiday

unreleased potential licenses from Studio Canal
The Card
The Trial
The Crime of Monsieur Lange
The Four Musketeers
The Servant
The Three Musketeers

Posted: **Fri Dec 17, 2021 3:43 am**

Shouldn't "Ran" be moved to LG retained? LG released the 4K in the US back in November.

Posted: **Fri Dec 17, 2021 4:07 am**

Changed. Thanks

Posted: **Fri Dec 17, 2021 6:58 am**

One other update, according to the Fellini box, Variety Lights was licensed from Cineteca di Bologna. So it appears the film is no longer with SC.

Posted: **Fri Dec 17, 2021 7:44 am**

are we definitive on Third Man still being with Lionsgate? I looked back at previous pages and it just seems unconfirmed that it's still with LG nor any of the boutiques. Ran getting a release (that you can pick up at Best Buys all across America) is one thing, of course

my question is whether Canal would allow CC to release Ran as part of a Complete Kurosawa boxset, given CC either has the rights to all of the films via Janus, or could easily license (Dreams, Dersu Uzala, Kagemusha, etc). I believe the answer is yes, given their arrangements for Fellini. just don't think they would allow an individual edition of it

Posted: **Fri Dec 17, 2021 4:05 pm**

dwk wrote: Fri Dec 17, 2021 6:58 am One other update, according to the Fellini box, Variety Lights was licensed from Cineteca di Bologna. So it appears the film is no longer with SC.

Done, thanks

ryannichols7 wrote: Fri Dec 17, 2021 7:44 am are we definitive on Third Man still being with Lionsgate? I looked back at previous pages and it just seems unconfirmed that it's still with LG nor any of the boutiques. Ran getting a release (that you can pick up at Best Buys all across America) is one thing, of course

The KL Insider said that Lionsgate has retained The Third Man. Until there is any evidence otherwise we'll leave it where it is but will gladly update it once it ends up back with CC which I expect will happen

Posted: **Fri Dec 17, 2021 4:11 pm**

FrauBlucher wrote: Fri Dec 17, 2021 4:05 pm
dwk wrote: Fri Dec 17, 2021 6:58 am One other update, according to the Fellini box, Variety Lights was licensed from Cineteca di Bologna. So it appears the film is no longer with SC.
Done, thanks

ryannichols7 wrote: Fri Dec 17, 2021 7:44 am are we definitive on Third Man still being with Lionsgate? I looked back at previous pages and it just seems unconfirmed that it's still with LG nor any of the boutiques. Ran getting a release (that you can pick up at Best Buys all across America) is one thing, of course
The KL Insider said that Lionsgate has retained The Third Man. Until there is any evidence otherwise we'll leave it where it is but will gladly update it once it ends up back with CC which I expect will happen

thank you! somehow missed that. I also think it will too, hopefully we get some sort of confirmation on that soon. while Ran is one thing, I can't imagine Lionsgate putting out a 4K of Third Man

Posted: **Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:20 pm**

It's worth noting that many of the Kino Lorber Insider's statements are now 2-3 years old, so the info that KLI shared at that time regarding titles Kino didn't license may have since changed. It's possible The Third Man became available to license for Criterion again, but unless it's announced by them or Lionsgate we have little way of knowing for sure.

Posted: **Tue Feb 15, 2022 6:20 pm**

Mr Klein update....

FrauBlucher wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:45 am movielocke, pardon my taking liberties. I added Mr Klein to the "unreleased potential licenses from Studio Canal" group until it officially gets announced in September. I'm hoping this will start more frequent releases for the Studio Canal titles expected to be coming back or new to CC.

movielocke wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:47 am I think this update is correct, but perhaps Frau can correct me if I'm wrong:

20/07/15 update: moved PIerrot le Fou to the re-release section
20/07/15 updated list based on the "getharrypalmer' info down thread
20/10/15 updated: moved three Bunuels to re-release section
21/01/15 updated: moved Fellinis to re-release section, with notation, made new section base on possible new SC licenses
21/07/20 updated: Mr Klein add to the "Unreleased potential licenses" column, Studio Canal confirming title to Criterion
21/12/16 updated: Mr Klein moved to the "Rumored to have and rumors confirmed " column & Le Circle Rouge UHD added to the re-releases column & Ran UHD moved to Lionsgate Retained section
21/12/17 updated: Variety Lights has been removed as indications show it's no longer a Studio Canal title
22/2/15 updated: Mr. Klein removed from the "Rumored to have and rumors confirmed " section and entered in the newly created " recently acquired" section

Criterion re-releases:
49 Nights of Cabiria (only in Fellini Mega set)
102 The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie
143 That Obscure Object of Desire
189 The White Sheik (only in Fellini Mega set)
205 Lola
218 Le Cercle Rouge UHD
290 The Phantom of Liberty
385 Army of Shadows
421 Pierrot le Fou

Recently Acquired from Studio Canal:
1123 Mr. Klein

Criterion Rumored to have and rumors confirmed
58 Peeping Tom
67 The Blood of a Poet
69 Testament of Orpheus
106 Coup De Torchon
117 Diary of a Chambermaid
129 Le Trou
222 Diary of a Country Priest
227 Le Corbeau
317 The Tales of Hoffmann
318 Forbidden Games
357 The Fallen Idol
441 The Small Back Room

Lionsgate Retained:
64 The Third Man
316 Ran UHD

2020/21 SC deal rumored previously off-limits titles now rumored to be licensed to criterion:
1 Grand Illusion
171 Contempt
304 The Man Who Fell To Earth

no info?:
238 A Woman Is a Woman
424 Mafioso

Kino Releases:
25 Alphaville
121 Billy Liar
150 Bob Le Flambeur
193 Quai des Orfèvres
245 Port of Shadows
271 Touchez Pas Au Grisbi
325 Kind Hearts and Coronets
402 The Milky Way
447 Le doulos
478 Last Year At Marienbad
572 Léon Morin, Priest

Essential Art House titles, Criterion rumored to have
Gervaise
Le Jour se Leve

Essential Art House titles, no info
Mayerling
The Last Holiday

Unreleased potential licenses from Studio Canal
The Card
The Trial
The Crime of Monsieur Lange
The Four Musketeers
The Servant
The Three Musketeers

Posted: **Thu Mar 17, 2022 6:47 pm**

The snail's pace continues...

New update:

FrauBlucher wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:45 am 20/07/15 update: moved PIerrot le Fou to the re-release section
20/07/15 updated list based on the "getharrypalmer' info down thread
20/10/15 updated: moved three Bunuels to re-release section
21/01/15 updated: moved Fellinis to re-release section, with notation, made new section base on possible new SC licenses
21/07/20 updated: Mr Klein add to the "Unreleased potential licenses" column, Studio Canal confirming title to Criterion
21/12/16 updated: Mr Klein moved to the "Rumored to have and rumors confirmed " column & Le Circle Rouge UHD added to the re-releases column & Ran UHD moved to Lionsgate Retained section
21/12/17 updated: Variety Lights has been removed as indications show it's no longer a Studio Canal title
22/2/15 updated: Mr. Klein removed from the "Rumored to have and rumors confirmed " section and entered in the newly created " recently acquired" section
22/3/17 updated: The Tales of Hoffman moved from "Rumored to have and rumors confirmed " section to the "Criterion re-releases"

Criterion re-releases:
49 Nights of Cabiria (only in Fellini Mega set)
102 The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie
143 That Obscure Object of Desire
189 The White Sheik (only in Fellini Mega set)
205 Lola
218 Le Cercle Rouge UHD
290 The Phantom of Liberty
317 The Tales of Hoffmann
385 Army of Shadows
421 Pierrot le Fou

Recently Acquired from Studio Canal:
1123 Mr. Klein

Criterion Rumored to have and rumors confirmed
58 Peeping Tom
67 The Blood of a Poet
69 Testament of Orpheus
106 Coup De Torchon
117 Diary of a Chambermaid
129 Le Trou
222 Diary of a Country Priest
227 Le Corbeau
318 Forbidden Games
357 The Fallen Idol
441 The Small Back Room

Lionsgate Retained:
64 The Third Man
316 Ran UHD

2020/21 SC deal rumored previously off-limits titles now rumored to be licensed to criterion:
1 Grand Illusion
171 Contempt
304 The Man Who Fell To Earth

no info?:
238 A Woman Is a Woman
424 Mafioso

Kino Releases:
25 Alphaville
121 Billy Liar
150 Bob Le Flambeur
193 Quai des Orfèvres
245 Port of Shadows
271 Touchez Pas Au Grisbi
325 Kind Hearts and Coronets
402 The Milky Way
447 Le doulos
478 Last Year At Marienbad
572 Léon Morin, Priest

Essential Art House titles, Criterion rumored to have
Gervaise
Le Jour se Leve

Essential Art House titles, no info
Mayerling
The Last Holiday

Unreleased potential licenses from Studio Canal
The Card
The Trial
The Crime of Monsieur Lange
The Four Musketeers
The Servant
The Three Musketeers

Posted: **Thu Mar 17, 2022 10:06 pm**

Hoffmann is also notable as it makes the first release that makes sense as a 4K title (4K restoration, common relationship with widow of director, etc) that isn't being released on the format, most likely due to Canal not doing it themselves in region B. so essentially, for Grand Illusion, Contempt (which was hinted at a week or so ago on CC's social media), and The Man Who Fell to Earth, we'd need to see Canal put those out in the UK on UHD for them to even be considered for Criterion.

I can't imagine anything else on the list (aside from the Third Man, of course) warranting a UHD release. possibly Peeping Tom, but if Hoffmann didn't get one, there's no way that will.

EDIT: The Trial as well, was looking at the main list

Posted: **Thu Mar 17, 2022 10:14 pm**

I think the reason Tales of Hoffmann isn't getting a 4K release is as simple as the film likely not being as popular a title as others - Tales of Hoffmann has 1/10th of the amount of IMDB votes as either Peeping Tom or Red Shoes, which is enough of a difference to overcome any margin of error in using IMDB votes as a measurement of a film's popularity, I feel. Though I am mostly saying this to cope for the possibility of Peeping Tom not getting a 4K release due to the reasons mentioned above.

Posted: **Thu Mar 17, 2022 10:18 pm**

I actually think it’s probably due to lack of an HDR master. SC was perfectly happy to let Criterion and other boutiques release BD titles (like Mandabi) before they themselves did and I see no reaaon to subscribe to the weird logic that somehow the relevant studios are extremely protective of their 4K rights instead.

Posted: **Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:13 pm**

It seems unlikely that the TALES OF HOFFMANN 4K restoration would have been done to a lower spec than THE RED SHOES 4K, completed six years earlier, and that had a gorgeous HDR grade. I suspect it is just down to commercial factors: they don't think it will sell enough to make it worth it.

Posted: **Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:29 pm**

It's no doubt a gorgeous movie, but in all honesty, if it wasn't so cheap, I might have passed on it. I've seen it projected twice, once from an IB Tech print, and while the first part is wonderful, it's kind of a letdown how each part gets less memorable and generally weaker, at least for me.

Posted: **Fri Mar 18, 2022 7:17 am**

If I'm not mistaken, the HDR grade for The Red Shoes is new, and the restoration originally was SDR.

Posted: **Tue May 10, 2022 3:31 pm**

StudioCanal will be releasing a 4K UHD for 'The Trial' in September for the European countries. They don't say in the press release anything about a U.S release but I think it's safe to assume that Criterion will be releasing it at the same time, just like the Mulholland Drive release.

Posted: **Tue May 10, 2022 3:50 pm**

Posted: **Tue May 10, 2022 4:34 pm**

That's great news! Wasn't the SC Mulholland Dr. UHD far superior to Criterion's? I feel like UHD has been such a weird medium of errors and unexpected slackjobs thus far, where we sadly need to wait and see for all versions to become available before deciding what to purchase..

Posted: **Tue May 10, 2022 4:43 pm**

It wasn't really all that superior at all, as the differences between the 2 releases are negligible.

Posted: **Tue May 10, 2022 4:50 pm**

The SC Mulholland Dr was slightly better encoded is all--the Criterion is very good but the SC was done by Fidelity in Motion (the gold standard)

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