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Re: Criterion Newsletter (Part 2)
Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 6:50 pm
by knives
Actually On the waterfront is possible since Warners do not own the rights to the film and so could lose it (and Baby Doll).
Re: Criterion Newsletter (Part 2)
Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 6:52 pm
by ShellOilJunior
Mike Tyson?
Re: Criterion Newsletter (Part 2)
Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 6:54 pm
by mfunk9786
It's funny, Tyson does indeed make the most sense within the context of the clue (he takes care of pigeons), but I sincerely doubt that's what it is.
Re: Criterion Newsletter (Part 2)
Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 6:58 pm
by swo17
I haven't seen On the Waterfront in forever but a quick search on the net reminds me that Brando's character in the film was a former boxer and that pigeons are used symbolically throughout.
Re: Criterion Newsletter (Part 2)
Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 6:59 pm
by domino harvey
It's Sony, not Warners
Re: Criterion Newsletter (Part 2)
Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 7:00 pm
by knives
For some reason I thought it was part of that same company that has Stagecoach and the like. Either way though it's the most likely possibility.
Re: Criterion Newsletter (Part 2)
Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 7:00 pm
by eerik
On the Waterfront it is.
Re: Criterion Newsletter (Part 2)
Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 7:02 pm
by bamwc2
swo17 wrote:I haven't seen On the Waterfront in forever but a quick search on the net reminds me that Brando's character in the film was a former boxer and that pigeons are used symbolically throughout.
I saw it about two years ago, but can't remember any pigeons for the life of me. Where were they?
Re: Criterion Newsletter (Part 2)
Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 7:05 pm
by Jeff
That pigeon's got a one-way ticket to Palookaville. Columbia owns On the Waterfront outright, so this is surely it.
Re: Criterion Newsletter (Part 2)
Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 7:06 pm
by Jonny Pasadena
Terry Molloy (Brando's character) keeps pigeons on the roof of his building. Things do not end well for them.
And in that illustration, the birds are at the shore -- quite literally on the waterfront. Part of me is hoping, though, that the pigeon in the lower right of the illustration doesn't have a black eye, but a Tyson tatt.
Re: Criterion Newsletter (Part 2)
Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 7:09 pm
by Brian C
bamwc2 wrote:I saw it about two years ago, but can't remember any pigeons for the life of me. Where were they?
Brando's character takes care of pigeons, he has a coop on his roof. Late in the film
the neighbor kid kills one of (or several?) of the birds in an angry reaction after Brando turns informer.
It's all very sad.
Re: Criterion Newsletter (Part 2)
Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 7:11 pm
by Jeff
The pigeons (i.e. stool pigeon) are a major symbolic motif throughout the film.
Re: Criterion Newsletter (Part 2)
Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 7:15 pm
by bamwc2
Jonny Pasadena wrote:Terry Molloy (Brando's character) keeps pigeons on the roof of his building. Things do not end well for them.
And in that illustration, the birds are at the shore -- quite literally on the waterfront. Part of me is hoping, though, that the pigeon in the lower right of the illustration doesn't have a black eye, but a Tyson tatt.
Ah, yes. I forgot. This is surely right.
Re: Criterion Newsletter (Part 2)
Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 7:16 pm
by ShellOilJunior
An On the Waterfront HD transfer delivered by Grover Crisp to Criterion -- the possibility may explode heads.
Re: Criterion Newsletter (Part 2)
Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 7:28 pm
by NABOB OF NOWHERE
Could be a contender
Re: Criterion Newsletter (Part 2)
Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 7:47 pm
by duck duck
Anyone else think of Animaniacs?
Re: Criterion Newsletter (Part 2)
Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 8:04 pm
by zedz
swo17 wrote:bamwc2 wrote:
How did Criterion get ahold of my home videos? Guess I'm going to have to go to jail now.
What? You're Bert from
Sesame Street?
(Well, I have to admit, I had my suspicions. . .)
Re: Criterion Newsletter (Part 2)
Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 8:05 pm
by justeleblanc
Would the three birds indicate that they would release the Brando/Kazan trilogy?
Re: Criterion Newsletter (Part 2)
Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 8:08 pm
by knives
It would be tough to wrangle those rights.
Re: Criterion Newsletter (Part 2)
Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 8:11 pm
by captveg
swo17 wrote:I haven't seen On the Waterfront in forever but a quick search on the net reminds me that Brando's character in the film was a former boxer and that pigeons are used symbolically throughout.
We have a winner.
Great news, too!
Re: Criterion Newsletter (Part 2)
Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 8:14 pm
by knives
I wonder if they're going to add any extras beyond what was on the previous release? I would double dip for The People of the Cumberland.
Re: Criterion Newsletter (Part 2)
Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 8:16 pm
by ianungstad
On the Waterfront is fantastic. Now if they'll only convince FOX to liberate Wild River from that Kazan mega-set. (Wild River being his best film, IMO).
Re: Criterion Newsletter (Part 2)
Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 8:17 pm
by captveg
justeleblanc wrote:Would the three birds indicate that they would release the Brando/Kazan trilogy?
Highly unlikely. Warner (who doesn't license) just released their quite good Blu-ray of
A Streetcar Named Desire, and
Viva Zapata! is a Fox film, which would make it troublesome to pair with a a Sony-licensed title like
On The Waterfront. Also, like the BBS Story box, OTW was probably prepped at Sony DAC before being handed over to Criterion to finalize.
Re: Criterion Newsletter (Part 2)
Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 11:12 pm
by Jean-Luc Garbo
ianungstad wrote:On the Waterfront is fantastic. Now if they'll only convince FOX to liberate Wild River from that Kazan mega-set. (Wild River being his best film, IMO).
That'd be a dream come true. Jo Van Fleet was superb, but Clift was a revelation. If anything, Criterion would better that utterly mediocre Schickel commentary.
Re: Criterion Newsletter (Part 2)
Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 11:32 pm
by Jeff
I've been pestering Criterion about Wild River for years, to no avail. I saw a gorgeous 35mm print a couple of years ago, and it would make a great Blu-ray. There is plenty of supplemental turf to explore about the Tennessee Valley Authority too. It's my second favorite Kazan after A Face in the Crowd.
Glad to see Criterion finally popping their Kazan cherry, only a few months after at last doing the same with Preminger. On the Waterfront was one of the titles they announced for laserdisc but never released.