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Re: 'Rediculous' Customer & Critic Reviews
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:52 pm
by swo17
This isn't necessarily that rediculous on its own, until you consider that it's the product description on a disc-by-mail rental site:
This double-feature disc is a bit unusual, containing two separate discs in a wide box rather than two movies on two sides of a DVD. The price is more than right, as either of these movies could sustain a full-priced release on its own, and the box even comes with a handy booklet containing historical essays on both movies.
Re: 'Rediculous' Customer & Critic Reviews
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 9:09 am
by matrixschmatrix
Is Paul Mavis from DVDTalk known for being an idiot? His
Black Legion review goes from fairly straightfoward (if obtuse) discussion of the plot to
While modern critics (including one of the commentators on the DVD commentary track) might wish to see a connection with the goings-on in Black Legion and the political climate today in America, that's a big, big stretch, as well. The small fringe group Black Legion of 1937 focuses its sick, racist hatred on legal immigrants who are furthering themselves in America at the expense of no one. These immigrants are the "true" Americans, fulfilling the ideals of the country. Today, the political argument about the illegal invasion of immigrants - a significant number of them with criminal backgrounds - involves hundreds of millions of law-abiding, respectful citizens from all ends of the political spectrum, concerned with criminals who flood into the country unasked (ahead of hopeful immigrants who wait patiently and play by the rules), and who are breaking the back of the social programs that lawful citizens - of all races and backgrounds - increasingly can not afford to support. That's a night and day difference between these two supposedly connected situations. Perhaps what is connected in Black Legion with today's political climate - the voices of hate groups still touting age-old prejudices in the service of gaining political and economic power - is certainly ironic, when one sees that we have a current national political figure unrepentant in his 20-year support of just such a hate group, and yet who apparently doesn't have to be held responsible for that unstinting support, unlike Bogart's Frank Taylor.
Re: 'Rediculous' Customer & Critic Reviews
Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 6:56 am
by domino harvey
Roger Ebert on [i]Film Socialisme[/i] wrote:The only way to make sense of it is to do all the heavy lifting yourself. And even then, how can you be confident that your reading of the film is what Godard had in mind?
This might be the single dumbest thing a professional film reviewer has ever uttered
Re: 'Rediculous' Customer & Critic Reviews
Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:03 am
by knives
I'm afraid to actually watch the thing, that bit is so dumb.
Re: 'Rediculous' Customer & Critic Reviews
Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:01 pm
by Mr Sausage
I wonder if he meant that the film doesn't seem to advance any purposeful meaning and that any attempt to find it on behalf of the viewer would be arbitrary, and he just phrased it really, really badly. Because otherwise, he's complaining about having to do what a critic is paid to do, which is so silly I have to think he didn't actually mean what he seems to be saying.
Re: 'Rediculous' Customer & Critic Reviews
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:42 am
by Grand Illusion
Mr Sausage wrote:I wonder if he meant that the film doesn't seem to advance any purposeful meaning and that any attempt to find it on behalf of the viewer would be arbitrary, and he just phrased it really, really badly. Because otherwise, he's complaining about having to do what a critic is paid to do, which is so silly I have to think he didn't actually mean what he seems to be saying.
He did. The quote makes more sense in the context of his entire written review, rather than the one found on a special "Ebert's top 5 worst films of the year" video vignette.
Re: 'Rediculous' Customer & Critic Reviews
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:13 am
by Mr Sausage
Are you saying he meant exactly what he said, or that he meant what I supposed he was trying to say but did not express well?
Re: 'Rediculous' Customer & Critic Reviews
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:29 am
by Grand Illusion
Sorry. He meant that the film doesn't advance anything at all and is so opaque and indecipherable that any attempt to meet the film halfway as a viewer is futile.
Excerpts from his review that I feel clarify his position:
This film is an affront. It is incoherent, maddening, deliberately opaque and heedless of the ways in which people watch movies. All of that is part of the Godardian method, I am aware, but I feel a bargain of some sort must be struck. We enter the cinema with open minds and goodwill, expecting Godard to engage us in at least a vaguely penetrable way. But in "Film Socialisme," he expects us to do all the heavy lifting.
His Navajo speakers touch on socialism, gambling, nationalism, Hitler, Stalin, art, Islam, women, Jews, Hollywood, Palestine, war and other large topics. It all seems terrifically political, but there is nothing in the film to offend the most devout Tea Party communicant, and I can't say what, if anything, the film has to say about socialism.
Godard has sent my mind scurrying between ancient history and modern television, via Marxism and Nazism, to ponder — well, what?
From his Cannes blog, he expanded:
Godard has provided an excellent jumping-off point for whatever you want to conclude about anything, so long as you connect it somehow with the words "Godard" and "Godardian."
Re: 'Rediculous' Customer & Critic Reviews
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:09 pm
by Forrest Taft
Didnt know Jerusalem was this cool
I only know Jerusalem because Natalie Portman was born in there...And after I watched this movie,Jerusalem is really a cool place that shelts many religion and very different kinds of people...
I really liked this movie.I advise this one to anybody who wants to spend a fun 90 mins..
Re: 'Rediculous' Customer & Critic Reviews
Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 3:32 pm
by domino harvey
Thought it was for Exodus til I got to the 90 minutes part
Re: 'Rediculous' Customer & Critic Reviews
Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 7:51 pm
by colinr0380
That reviewer sounds a little like Glenn Beck.
Re: 'Rediculous' Customer & Critic Reviews
Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 8:12 pm
by Tom Hagen
Re: 'Rediculous' Customer & Critic Reviews
Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 5:35 am
by knives
On Salo
Why is it that bad artists always try to justify their garbage by claiming to be experimental, political, or any other aspect that does not pertain to the quality of the art? Well, simple- they cannot justify it any other way. Naturally, when the film or novel or painting’s been banned in many places, it only allows the puerile artist to stroke himself more. But, since that’s the only reason such art is made- witness all the art made from or with bodily excretions and/or simply used evoke outrage by lowest common denominator means, it means that the base reaction sought is easily achieved. Of course, astute art lovers and critics see through such crap with ease, while a few dilettantish asses do not; yet it’s the asses who seem to always be quoted.
Re: 'Rediculous' Customer & Critic Reviews
Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 5:45 am
by matrixschmatrix
Haha, I got to be honest, that was my reaction to Salo too
Re: 'Rediculous' Customer & Critic Reviews
Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:14 am
by knives
My problem with that screed and ones like it is that it limits expression. Unpleasantness isn't a bad thing and that review's suggestion that all great artists should either shy away from it or make it more palatable just restricts their art. Certain things can only be communicated by unpleasant means. Many great films wouldn't exist with those rules of limitation applied to them. If you don't like unpleasant art, fine, there's nothing wrong with not wanting to go through things that you find unpleasant. What is wrong though is degrading great things just because they are unpleasant to you. Not only might that not be a universal feeling against said work of art making it more meaningless, but as I have been trying to get across is sometimes the point and more importantly sometimes needs to be such. Not all aspects of life is rosy little gumdrops and the same is true of art. If you only want the rosy little gumdrops, you can have them, but until you can create a good argument against the spikes and needles than they have every right to exist.
If you can look at the positive comments on Salo and make a well reasoned argument against them than do so, but to just say it's unpleasant means nothing of the film's quality nor worth. An unpleasant film that isn't smart about why it's unpleasant is bad, but if like in the case of Salo it makes it's points well, never contradicts, and has a perfectly valid reason for being unpleasant (satirizing violent pornography and capitalist excesses seems reasonable to me) than there's nothing wrong with that piece of art.
Not sure where all that came from. I guess I've been hearing that sort of thing too much lately and it's just making me annoyed.
Re: 'Rediculous' Customer & Critic Reviews
Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:29 am
by matrixschmatrix
Yeah, it's poorly put- generously speaking, I think the argument it's trying to make is that manufactured outrage sometimes disguises the underlying emptiness of a work, which is absolutely true. Unfortunately, it seems to imply that anything that generates outrage is perforce empty, which is obviously nonsense.
Re: 'Rediculous' Customer & Critic Reviews
Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:32 am
by knives
Yeah, that's my point of disagreement. Putting limitations down seems too regressive to me and far too personal to be particularly valid. I mean you can break that argument instantly be finding someone who doesn't become outraged.
Re: 'Rediculous' Customer & Critic Reviews
Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 3:50 pm
by tavernier
knives wrote:On Salo
Why is it that bad artists always try to justify their garbage by claiming to be experimental, political, or any other aspect that does not pertain to the quality of the art? Well, simple- they cannot justify it any other way. Naturally, when the film or novel or painting’s been banned in many places, it only allows the puerile artist to stroke himself more. But, since that’s the only reason such art is made- witness all the art made from or with bodily excretions and/or simply used evoke outrage by lowest common denominator means, it means that the base reaction sought is easily achieved. Of course, astute art lovers and critics see through such crap with ease, while a few dilettantish asses do not; yet it’s the asses who seem to always be quoted.
Armond?
Re: 'Rediculous' Customer & Critic Reviews
Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 4:04 pm
by MichaelB
The trouble with that argument is that it falls apart in the first dozen words - Pasolini wasn't a "bad artist" by even the remotest stretch of the imagination, and he didn't live long enough to "justify [his] garbage", although he no doubt would have done so more than eloquently.
Re: 'Rediculous' Customer & Critic Reviews
Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 4:46 pm
by AALFW
On The Tree of Life
At the turn of the century someone pointed out that the youths in the advanced economies were getting more and more conservative. Now it seems humanism retarded farther still.
Cannes has been awarding religious films in the past few years.... Couldn't humans live "better", after all, without the help of some external device they call God? The process of globalization, which causes the loss of local tradition everywhere, may be another driving force that works behind all this.
My personal impression of this film is that it is a bold attempt to attribute to God everything from the creation of the universe to the birth of life, and the internal struggle of modern, industrialized people. It is a propaganda film, just like Schindler's List or Malcolm X. As a religious confession, it may indeed be truthful. However, in this film, nothing is to be seen beyond God. That is why the family reunion on the beach feels no less monotonous than Paradiso of Dante. Whether you like this film depends ultimately on whether you accept the unmistakably pre-modern values that you discern behind its graphic beauty and tactful direction.
Re: 'Rediculous' Customer & Critic Reviews
Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 4:47 pm
by domino harvey
And?
Re: 'Rediculous' Customer & Critic Reviews
Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:03 pm
by Kirkinson
Yeah, I disagree (strongly) with its conclusions, but it sounds like a sincere and substantial reading of the film that shouldn't be tossed aside lightly.
Re: 'Rediculous' Customer & Critic Reviews
Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 10:00 pm
by Grand Illusion
That Tree of Life statement seems fair to me.
Re: 'Rediculous' Customer & Critic Reviews
Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 12:12 pm
by mattkc
I'm a little disgusted with the praise heaped over this film, but the approach taken by that reviewer is at minimum dubious. It's the same ignorance that declares all religious painting propaganda, and falls into almost the same pitfall it's declaring the movie to: it doesn't take into account anything beyond its own politics. As the quip referring to the Paradiso indicates, this position is blind to aesthetic merit, however much or little Malick's film may have. Honestly, what is gained in thinking about it in this way? Why must everything conform to our own "modern" prejudices (as though they won't change)?
Re: 'Rediculous' Customer & Critic Reviews
Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:31 am
by Gregory
File under: general idiocy
I've never forgotten
this Bud Dry commercial from (Jeezus) twenty years ago, so I decided to see if it was on YouTube, and sure enough...
And thank god nowadays we have Redbox instead of those elitist Blockbuster stores that were always relentlessly shoving incomprehensible Fellini/Bergman stuff down our throats.