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Posted: **Mon Dec 02, 2024 7:56 pm**

But "cultist" I didn't mean anything disparaging. To me it implies, among other things a dedication to a filmmaker such that you'll go the extra mile in trying to appreciate even works you didn't care for at first, maybe even reassessing as virtues things that others would see as defects. As in: anyone can appreciate Rebel without a Cause or Rear Window, but true cultists will vigorously defend, even love Topaz and Wind Across the Everglades.

I'm definitely a cultist when it comes to some directors, just not Eastwood. I like some of his films, dislike others, am indifferent to others. I admit that w/r/t to his last 15 or so years of work, stuff Eastwood cultists seem to take as evidence of a purified Late Style I am more likely to see as slapdash. And I have a hard time following some kind of stylistic or thematic thread through stuff like J. Edgar, Jersey Boys, and The 15:17 to Paris. But that's pne reason taste is interesting--because we all have our own.

Glad to see some love for Sudden Impact, which is a really great and ambitious noir.

Posted: **Mon Dec 02, 2024 8:25 pm**

Mr Sausage wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2024 7:41 pm Mystic River and Million Dollar Baby are both very effective dramas, the first a better Dennis Lehane adaptation than Scorsese managed, and the second an un-selfconscious throwback to traditional Hollywood melodrama.

I agree. I thought Million Dollar Baby was an excellent 'Hollywood" version of Fat City.

Posted: **Mon Dec 02, 2024 8:43 pm**

Mr Sausage wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2024 7:41 pm Eastwood's output is inconsistent, and work like Absolute Power, True Crime, and Blood Work probably merit Roscoe's lable.

And, of course, I’d say Absolute Power is one of his best films. Which doesn’t disprove anything you’re really arguing

Posted: **Mon Dec 02, 2024 9:12 pm**

Didn’t mean to step on other people’s favourites. Just wanted to show my praise of Eastwood wasn’t uncritical. I’d love to hear people’s defenses of the four I criticized.

Posted: **Mon Dec 02, 2024 9:15 pm**

domino harvey wrote: Sun Oct 12, 2014 5:00 am Absolute Power (Clint Eastwood 1997) Rewatching this again revealed it unexpectedly to be one of Eastwood's greatest films as director. It's telling that Eastwood's thief opines how younger thieves show no patience and therefore can't pull off the really big and impressive jobs, as the film his character is in is itself blessed with the virtue of patience. The film's pace is deliberate, not slow, and information is only slowly meted out-- this is a film that functions better outside of advertisement or advance reviews, as even the central, box office boosting high concept at the center of the film is not even fully revealed to the audience until over forty minutes have passed. But this low-key but no less menacing conspiracy thriller involving Eastwood's thief witnessing a brutal rape and murder committed by an important political figure is blessed with a great cast (Many of whom are always wonderful additions to any film's lineup just by themselves: Gene Hackman, Laura Linney, Judy Davis, Ed Harris) and a smart script that sharply uses its pacing to its advantage. This is a smart, adult film done well-- Eastwood's calling card. Highly recommended.

Posted: **Mon Dec 02, 2024 9:18 pm**

Now that I think about it, I saw American Sniper based in your rec, domino, and I liked what you had to say about it being a good example of a successful conservative war film.

Posted: **Mon Dec 02, 2024 9:26 pm**

American Sniper has the worst, most in-your-face-manipulative ending I can think of offhand. Whatever merits the film had prior were soiled for me by it

Posted: **Mon Dec 02, 2024 9:43 pm**

Count me firmly among the cultists who admire and would enthusiastically defend virtually all Clint's directorial output (including the really maligned and neglected like Cry Macho and The 15:17). Absolute Power, True Crime and Blood Work were actually the ones it took me the longest to come around on and embrace. I adore Flags and probably prefer it to Iwo Jima. J. Edgar remains for me the one I have the hardest time with.

Posted: **Mon Dec 02, 2024 11:02 pm**

From what I've seen, when it comes to Eastwood's directorial efforts, I like his Westerns, the rest not so much.

Posted: **Tue Dec 03, 2024 12:15 am**

I totally forgot he directed Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil. Woof.

For this millennium, my favorites are probably Sully and Richard Jewell, but he still manages to insert some arc that detracts from the strengths with cliché

Posted: **Tue Dec 03, 2024 3:48 am**

His best film, and the greatest character he ever played, is without a doubt Grandpa Torino. Love that guy.

Unforgiven is a crowd-pleaser, sure, but loaded with problems. First of all, the cut up whore is still the hottest chick West of the Mississippi even after getting the knife, so that's an easy audience manipulation. Hey, why not do it to one of the fat ugly broads? Think the whole town would care then? You know, introduce some complexities into the formula. And teh arc of "the kid" from blustery virgin to whimpering shell after the outhouse killing is pathetic and heavyhanded, not to mention poorly acted. And teh ending, what a dishonest mess. The bad guys still are clearly defined, the clearly defined bad guys all die at the hand of the righteous man, and teh righteous man walks away. I read so many reviews that say this film denies both the character and the audience the satisfaction of easy justice, blah blah blah, but that's patent bullshit. Mann's Man of the West, just one example of many, has a climactic shootout, in the ghost town, that is much more disturbing than the one in Unforgiven.

All I remember about American Snipe is Bradley Cooper sniffing like a coke addict every 15 seconds, a very cheap actorial "tic," ugh. Oh, and teh fact that eastwood didn't have the balls to show him getting his head blown off at the end, leaving him an even more mythical, unreal figure for armchair weekend warriors than he already was. C'mon, Clint, drop the animatronic infant and spend that $1500 instead on a nice headshot, maybe an American flag waving in the background, you know, the good stuff.

Posted: **Mon Dec 30, 2024 4:04 am**

As a public defender, I found this movie not bad. There were some actually pretty on-point aspects of it:
1) the jury selection
2) the jurors just wanting to go home
3) the jurors extrapolating from the evidence to come up with theories to the point they ignore the actual evidence presented
4) A DA mindlessly tapping at her phone while someone yells at her
5) Simmons' line about PD workload

Other than that, it's not much different from most other Hollywood legal dramas - contrived storyline with the characters pontificating about the nature of justice. Eastwood at least doesn't approach the resolution with rose-tinted glasses (although in typical Eastwood fashion he makes the accused white and the two jurors just wanting to end deliberations as quickly as possible black.)

Posted: **Mon Dec 30, 2024 6:17 am**

The Curious Sofa wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2024 11:02 pm From what I've seen, when it comes to Eastwood's directorial efforts, I like his Westerns, the rest not so much.

Bird isn’t perfect, but Forrest Whittaker is just tremendous in it.

Murdoch wrote: Mon Dec 30, 2024 4:04 am As a public defender, I found this movie not bad. There were some actually pretty on-point aspects of it:
1) the jury selection
2) the jurors just wanting to go home
3) the jurors extrapolating from the evidence to come up with theories to the point they ignore the actual evidence presented

Eastwood fashion he makes the accused white and the two jurors just wanting to end deliberations as quickly as possible black.)

It would’ve been nice to see other staples of American courtrooms today, such as no one being able to get a projector to work and a needless animation of the crime.

I did like Cedric Yarbrough in this quite a bit. I don’t think I’ve ever seen him in a non-comedic role.

The Japanese-American med student confused me. You REALLY wanted to do your residency in Georgia?

Posted: **Mon Dec 30, 2024 8:17 am**

Maybe it was actually his lowest pick and he got screwed in the match?

Posted: **Mon Dec 30, 2024 2:09 pm**

The first act is compelling. But I haven't seen a film go so far off the rails in the third act as this mess. My god.

Posted: **Mon Dec 30, 2024 3:50 pm**

beamish14 wrote: Mon Dec 30, 2024 6:17 am
The Curious Sofa wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2024 11:02 pm From what I've seen, when it comes to Eastwood's directorial efforts, I like his Westerns, the rest not so much.

Bird isn’t perfect, but Forrest Whittaker is just tremendous in it.

I've always given this one a wide berth as music biopics are among my least favourite types of films, I'm not much of a jazz person and I've never been a big fan of Forrest Whittaker (I've never gotten over his performances in The Crying Game and Species). However, I am currently re-watching the Dirty Harry movies and they are more fun than I remember and I'm slowly getting round to the idea of checking out Juror #2.

Posted: **Mon Dec 30, 2024 4:42 pm**

beamish14 wrote: Mon Dec 30, 2024 6:17 am It would’ve been nice to see other staples of American courtrooms today, such as no one being able to get a projector to work and a needless animation of the crime.

I haven't personally seen animations used at trial but projector/computer problems are maybe the biggest contributing factor to trials dragging on. I saw a violent felony trial come to a stop as the attorneys spent several hours messing with laptop settings. I'm still waiting on a movie to satirize the banal cruelty that is the American courtroom experience.

Posted: **Mon Dec 30, 2024 11:37 pm**

The identification in the film was so unduly suggestive and prejudicial that it’s unlikely to have survived a suppression hearing.

Posted: **Wed Jan 01, 2025 2:05 am**

Murdoch wrote: Mon Dec 30, 2024 4:42 pmI'm still waiting on a movie to satirize the banal cruelty that is the American courtroom experience.

How does the section of the "On Cinema" series that tackles Tim Heidecker's Murder Trial measure up to the realities of the courtroom?

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2025 1:59 pm**

This was actually all right. I'm not the biggest Eastwood fan and almost bailed after the first scene. The way the miscarriage and resulting trauma is established is unsubtle, manipulative, and clichéd and something I've seen a gazillion times before. It reminded me of what often puts me off Eastwood-directed films. But the hook of the plot is a good one, and once Toni Collette enters the picture, it picks up. One thing I thought was that

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this was a weak case and I don't understand why everyone was so convinced of the defendant's guilt based on the testimony of a doddering old man that the defense could have done a better job with.

But then the US justice system is a mystery to me. As a courtroom drama, this was gripping enough, if nowhere close to the recent Anatomy of a Fall or Red Rooms.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2025 2:32 pm**

Maladroit Aggregator wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2024 3:48 am All I remember about American Snipe is Bradley Cooper sniffing like a coke addict every 15 seconds, a very cheap actorial "tic," ugh.

https://youtu.be/lWvFUv073F8?si=ZQqpDUviuT7kfyYj

I agree with the Unforgiven take, though I still like the film.

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