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Re: UHD Titles Worth/Not Worth Upgrading

Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2024 10:33 am
by nicolas
rrenault wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 10:28 am I know Carlotta will be releasing all those Truffaut films theatrically in new 4K restorations (The Soft Skin, Two English Girls, etc), but it’s probably up in the air whether they get UHD releases or not.
All of those I posted will receive 4K UHDs. Here’s the pre-order for the Truffaut collection. https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B0D9MP1VCG/

Piano Player is sold separately.

Re: UHD Titles Worth/Not Worth Upgrading

Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2024 10:37 am
by rrenault
nicolas wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 10:33 am
rrenault wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 10:28 am I know Carlotta will be releasing all those Truffaut films theatrically in new 4K restorations (The Soft Skin, Two English Girls, etc), but it’s probably up in the air whether they get UHD releases or not.
All of those I posted will receive 4K UHDs. Here’s the pre-order for the Truffaut collection. https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B0D9MP1VCG/

Piano Player is sold separately.
Hmmm…ok. Carlotta haven’t posted it on their site yet. I wonder whether or not it’ll be another debacle like their Doinel release. €60 is surprisingly low a preorder price for a boxset with 4 UHD titles though.

Re: UHD Titles Worth/Not Worth Upgrading

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 2:52 pm
by Finch
Heathers (Arrow) Kyle15 capsule

I was honestly expecting there to be less of a gap between Arrow's 4K and their BD but pleasantly surprised. They restored this in 4K proper whereas the BD was from a restoration from a 4K scan.

Re: UHD Titles Worth/Not Worth Upgrading

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 6:34 pm
by dwk
yoloswegmaster wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2024 6:47 pm Day for Night came out in 2015, so it would be 17 years since the last Truffaut release (that is if this supposed boxset were to come out in 2032). I would be surprised if we don't see a Antoine Doinel box upgrade within a couple years, especially when Janus were touring the 4K restorations last year.

I'm curious to see if the Truffaut films that Radiance have will be OOP in a couple of years now that MGM's rights have lapsed.
Kino insider confirmed at the Blu-ray.com forum that MGM is losing the rights to those Truffaut films
They're expiring with MGM after our terms for the movies end. We were not planning to renew them anyway.

Re: UHD Titles Worth/Not Worth Upgrading

Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2024 10:36 pm
by nicolas
Extensive screenshot comparison between the OPERA Severin UHD, BD and the Plaion UHD courtesy of our forum member mhofmann: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php? ... tcount=811

Re: UHD Titles Worth/Not Worth Upgrading

Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2024 11:38 am
by yoloswegmaster
dwk wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 6:34 pm
yoloswegmaster wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2024 6:47 pm Day for Night came out in 2015, so it would be 17 years since the last Truffaut release (that is if this supposed boxset were to come out in 2032). I would be surprised if we don't see a Antoine Doinel box upgrade within a couple years, especially when Janus were touring the 4K restorations last year.

I'm curious to see if the Truffaut films that Radiance have will be OOP in a couple of years now that MGM's rights have lapsed.
Kino insider confirmed at the Blu-ray.com forum that MGM is losing the rights to those Truffaut films
They're expiring with MGM after our terms for the movies end. We were not planning to renew them anyway.
Curious to know if Day for Night also went OOP because of WB's rights lapsing. Day for Night and all the Truffaut MGM titles were all co-produced by his company (Les Films du Carrosse), so I could see all the rights reverting back to them and then licensing all the titles to MK2.

Re: UHD Titles Worth/Not Worth Upgrading

Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2024 2:26 pm
by dwk
yoloswegmaster wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 11:38 am Curious to know if Day for Night also went OOP because of WB's rights lapsing. Day for Night and all the Truffaut MGM titles were all co-produced by his company (Les Films du Carrosse), so I could see all the rights reverting back to them and then licensing all the titles to MK2.
That has been my assumption, but I dont think anyone has gotten confirmation on why it went OOP.

Re: UHD Titles Worth/Not Worth Upgrading

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2024 5:16 am
by Fus1on
Finch wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 2:52 pm Heathers (Arrow) Kyle15 capsule

I was honestly expecting there to be less of a gap between Arrow's 4K and their BD but pleasantly surprised. They restored this in 4K proper whereas the BD was from a restoration from a 4K scan.
I received this one yesterday, and I can absolutely attest that it looks phenomenal. Easily one of the best UHDs that Arrow has put out this year.

Re: UHD Titles Worth/Not Worth Upgrading

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2024 7:43 am
by Fus1on
A24's UHDs of Love Lies Bleeding and The Zone of Interest are absolutely fantastic releases. Unfortunately, A24 never ships their UHDs with BDs, so I have no reference point to compare them to, but I thought they looked great on their own. I did notice that Love Lies Bleeding looks really noisy. I personally didn't mind it, as I thought it added to the grittiness of the film, but I did feel like it was worth pointing out. Other than that, it has great encoding, fantastic DV grading, and an awesome Atmos track.

The Zone of Interest, on the other hand, was one I was not as confident in as Love Lies Bleeding. I decided to check out the streaming version that A24 offers if you buy the UHD from their store, and I was instantly appalled by how over-sharpened the entire image was. I ended up being very concerned that the disc would end up looking less than stellar. Surprisingly, when I got it, I discovered that (unlike Love Lies Bleeding) it's on a dual-layered disc and apparently has a size of 46 GBs on the disc itself, with a simple HDR grade, rather than DV. What surprised me even more is that it somehow looks and sounds much better than Love Lies Bleeding. Unlike the streaming version, the UHD disc of The Zone of Interest does not look anywhere near as over-sharpened, and instead has a very natural look to it. It still looks razor-sharp (and probably still has some sharpening applied), but it doesn't look anywhere near as headache-inducing as the streaming version. The HDR grade is also fairly muted and subtle. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it was a few notches above being practically SDR, however I found it appropriate for the film. And while the picture quality looks undeniably fantastic, the real standout of this disc is the Atmos track, which is easily one of the best (and worst) surround tracks I've ever heard from a BD or UHD. I would call it beautiful work, but if you know anything about the film, it's anything other than that.

I would say both films are worthy of being in red tier, but since I haven't seen what the BDs look like, I'll hold off on being too sure.

Re: UHD Titles Worth/Not Worth Upgrading

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2024 9:33 am
by nicolas
Fus1on wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2024 7:43 am A24's UHDs of Love Lies Bleeding and The Zone of Interest are absolutely fantastic releases. Unfortunately, A24 never ships their UHDs with BDs, so I have no reference point to compare them to, but I thought they looked great on their own. I did notice that Love Lies Bleeding looks really noisy. I personally didn't mind it, as I thought it added to the grittiness of the film, but I did feel like it was worth pointing out. Other than that, it has great encoding, fantastic DV grading, and an awesome Atmos track.

The Zone of Interest, on the other hand, was one I was not as confident in as Love Lies Bleeding. I decided to check out the streaming version that A24 offers if you buy the UHD from their store, and I was instantly appalled by how over-sharpened the entire image was. I ended up being very concerned that the disc would end up looking less than stellar. Surprisingly, when I got it, I discovered that (unlike Love Lies Bleeding) it's on a dual-layered disc and apparently has a size of 46 GBs on the disc itself, with a simple HDR grade, rather than DV. What surprised me even more is that it somehow looks and sounds much better than Love Lies Bleeding. Unlike the streaming version, the UHD disc of The Zone of Interest does not look anywhere near as over-sharpened, and instead has a very natural look to it. It still looks razor-sharp (and probably still has some sharpening applied), but it doesn't look anywhere near as headache-inducing as the streaming version. The HDR grade is also fairly muted and subtle. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it was a few notches above being practically SDR, however I found it appropriate for the film. And while the picture quality looks undeniably fantastic, the real standout of this disc is the Atmos track, which is easily one of the best (and worst) surround tracks I've ever heard from a BD or UHD. I would call it beautiful work, but if you know anything about the film, it's anything other than that.

I would say both films are worthy of being in red tier, but since I haven't seen what the BDs look like, I'll hold off on being too sure.
Thanks for your detailed review. A24 are really strong, although their decision to use burnt-in English subtitles is infuriating. If you need the optional Spanish subtitles they’d appear on top of the image as confirmed to me by Kyle on the other forum.

I’m not sure if we should actually include both of these into the master list as they’re both new films and technically not UHD upgrades. It’s up to Finch to decide. (This is why I never write about UHDs of recent films in this thread).

Re: UHD Titles Worth/Not Worth Upgrading

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2024 1:45 pm
by Finch
Yeah, I tend to not include recent films unless as a warning that the presentation has been botched. From what you describe, both A24 titles sound like they would at least be blue tier rankings compared to the Blu-Rays.

But let me throw this out here: should we start including contemporary films (i.e. older than 5 years)? The odds of poor transfers for new films are pretty low so I do feel like it's not that pressing an issue but more maintenance work.

Re: UHD Titles Worth/Not Worth Upgrading

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2024 3:00 pm
by nicolas
Finch wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2024 1:45 pm Yeah, I tend to not include recent films unless as a warning that the presentation has been botched. From what you describe, both A24 titles sound like they would at least be blue tier rankings compared to the Blu-Rays.

But let me throw this out here: should we start including contemporary films (i.e. older than 5 years)? The odds of poor transfers for new films are pretty low so I do feel like it's not that pressing an issue but more maintenance work.
I personally think the threshold should be if a film was initially finished in a resolution below 4K, such as a 2K DI, HD DI or photochemically, so that the UHD release must be an upgrade of what was available earlier format-wise and resolution wise. Films like Inglorious Basterds are still relatively new but the UHD marked a notable improvement due to the 2K DI upscale and format upgrade whereas films like Darkest Hour or some of the A24/Lionsgate titles initially just received BDs and surprise UHDs arrived later IMO aren’t real upgrade achievements as they’re using the same materials only natively encoded in 4K.

I’d love to hear the thoughts of others and am open to what the general consensus is. If we include contemporary films, I imagine there’ll be a lot more discussion that could bloat the thread.

Re: UHD Titles Worth/Not Worth Upgrading

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2024 6:01 pm
by Fus1on
Finch wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2024 1:45 pm Yeah, I tend to not include recent films unless as a warning that the presentation has been botched. From what you describe, both A24 titles sound like they would at least be blue tier rankings compared to the Blu-Rays.

But let me throw this out here: should we start including contemporary films (i.e. older than 5 years)? The odds of poor transfers for new films are pretty low so I do feel like it's not that pressing an issue but more maintenance work.
Thanks for letting me know. I actually wasn't aware of this and was a little confused as to why both of these transfers weren't being talked about as they're among some of the best of the year.

In case we do start adding 4K discs of more recent films, I have dozens of them that I can easily make write-ups on just for this list. However, I will note that most of them will probably only serve to clog up the blue tier, as all of the available BDs for those films are just down-samples from the same 4K transfers that are used on the UHD disc. I was actually planning on making write-ups for the recent UHD releases of The Boy and the Heron, Perfect Days, and Civil War, all of which are fantastic 4K releases, however they are all marginal upgrades compared to the BD (especially with The Boy and the Heron, which is just a 2K upscale with DV). I can still do those if anyone in this thread is interested, although I have no idea if they are even worth adding to the master list.

As for possible solutions, maybe you could add a note in the master list that clarifies that, unless mentioned, almost every UHD of a contemporary film is just a marginal upgrade of the BD, or maybe I and someone else can come up with a separate list in this thread of really strong looking contemporary UHDs.

Re: UHD Titles Worth/Not Worth Upgrading

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2024 7:09 pm
by Finch
The other thing I'm already starting to run up against a character limit in the OP which is why the audio section got moved to a new post and nicholas has his own post about the best non-English friendly 4Ks. Would you be okay with compiling your own post in this thread with the titles you've personally verified and I'll add a link to that post in the OP?

I like nick's suggestion of only adding titles that were originally shot in resolutions under 4K. Everything else I would only add if it is a significant upgrade over the BD or if it's worse. That'll make updating your own post less of a hassle.

Re: UHD Titles Worth/Not Worth Upgrading

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2024 7:54 pm
by onedimension
You could also make a new thread and "reserve" the first 5-6 posts, one for each section of the list.. All the info would be at the top of the thread and character limits would be multiplied..

Re: UHD Titles Worth/Not Worth Upgrading

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2024 10:30 pm
by M-A
Finch wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2024 7:09 pm The other thing I'm already starting to run up against a character limit in the OP which is why the audio section got moved to a new post and nicholas has his own post about the best non-English friendly 4Ks. Would you be okay with compiling your own post in this thread with the titles you've personally verified and I'll add a link to that post in the OP?

I like nick's suggestion of only adding titles that were originally shot in resolutions under 4K. Everything else I would only add if it is a significant upgrade over the BD or if it's worse. That'll make updating your own post less of a hassle.
The audio section has become pretty outdated at this point. I'll try and compile a list of new additions soon :D

Re: UHD Titles Worth/Not Worth Upgrading

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2024 8:40 am
by MichaelB
Finch wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2024 7:09 pm The other thing I'm already starting to run up against a character limit in the OP which is why the audio section got moved to a new post and nicholas has his own post about the best non-English friendly 4Ks. Would you be okay with compiling your own post in this thread with the titles you've personally verified and I'll add a link to that post in the OP?
I ran into this issue the other month when updating the Indicator indexes - I think the character limit is something like 60,000 per post.

My medium-term solution has been to replace a handful of full-fat URLs with Tinyurl ones every time I hit the limit, which should extend its natural lifespan by a fair bit (I'm only a fraction of the way into replacing the links), but I suspect I'll have to split them into multiple posts at some point. And you don't have that workaround, of course.

Re: UHD Titles Worth/Not Worth Upgrading

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 12:19 am
by Fus1on
Ok, before I finish organizing this list, I do have a few questions.

Firstly, how recent should should everything be? Are we talking the last 5 years? 10 years? 20 years?

Secondly, would it be okay if I temporarily put in several recent UHDs that are 2K upscales? I'm perfectly fine with eventually removing them if they end up being moved to the master list.

Re: UHD Titles Worth/Not Worth Upgrading

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 1:07 am
by Finch
Maybe 2000 onwards? I'm good with including 2K upscales. I'll link to your post in the OP.

Re: UHD Titles Worth/Not Worth Upgrading

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 1:20 am
by Fus1on
Finch wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 1:07 am Maybe 2000 onwards? I'm good with including 2K upscales. I'll link to your post in the OP.
Sounds good. Thanks!

Re: UHD Titles Worth/Not Worth Upgrading

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 1:25 am
by Captain Paranoia
yoloswegmaster wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2024 7:25 pm I think Captain Paranoia was asking if there were any boxsets that had a mix of titles that were on 4K and titles that weren't on 4K (unless I misread what they wrote). If they were talking about 4K sets that included 4K and BD for all the titles, then you can also include the Three Colors trilogy and the Apu Trilogy.
I was referring to the latter, though I don't think they've done any quadruple+ feature sets.

Re: UHD Titles Worth/Not Worth Upgrading

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 4:00 am
by TechnicolorAcid
Captain Paranoia wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 1:25 am
yoloswegmaster wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2024 7:25 pm I think Captain Paranoia was asking if there were any boxsets that had a mix of titles that were on 4K and titles that weren't on 4K (unless I misread what they wrote). If they were talking about 4K sets that included 4K and BD for all the titles, then you can also include the Three Colors trilogy and the Apu Trilogy.
I was referring to the latter, though I don't think they've done any quadruple+ feature sets.
Believe it or not but they did release a 5 film 4K set for the Randolph Scott/Budd Boetticher set.

Re: UHD Titles Worth/Not Worth Upgrading

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 3:10 pm
by bfaison
The Lady from Shanghai is a solid blue category UHD in comparison with the Indicator BD, and depending on which other edition you compare it to (TCM original, TCM fixed, Kino reissue) crosses into red.

Re: UHD Titles Worth/Not Worth Upgrading

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2024 7:47 am
by Fus1on
Sorry it took so long, but I finally pulled the contemporary UHDs list together.

If anyone has any additions or changes they want me to make, just let me know. And if I ever become inactive, someone can remake the post and continue from there.

Re: UHD Titles Worth/Not Worth Upgrading

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2024 12:28 pm
by Finch
added to OP: link for Fus1on's post and entries for Lady from Shanghai (thanks bfaison)