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Nasir007 wrote:yeah I don't quite think that is true. I think the estimate was 9 million households rented Mulan at 30 bucks a pop for 270 million. Maybe the entire thing goes to Disney and Tenet is at 300 mil ww and not all of it goes to WB.

Nasir007 wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:43 pm The judge who made the decision was an Obama appointee.

aox wrote: Wed Oct 07, 2020 3:59 pm

Nasir007 wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:43 pm The judge who made the decision was an Obama appointee.

OK, but judges don't pursue cases. They judge cases brought before them. It was Trump's Justice Department that pursued it.

Nasir007 wrote: Wed Oct 07, 2020 4:28 pm

aox wrote: Wed Oct 07, 2020 3:59 pm

Nasir007 wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:43 pm The judge who made the decision was an Obama appointee.

OK, but judges don't pursue cases. They judge cases brought before them. It was Trump's Justice Department that pursued it.

Judges decide cases. If the case was pointless, she would have thrown it out. If it was fraudulent, she would have ruled against them. But she ruled for them. Maybe she saw something in the argument they were making. (I say this without having any idea about what the litigation is).

tenia wrote: Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:58 am

Nasir007 wrote:yeah I don't quite think that is true. I think the estimate was 9 million households rented Mulan at 30 bucks a pop for 270 million. Maybe the entire thing goes to Disney and Tenet is at 300 mil ww and not all of it goes to WB.

The issue is that later analysis tended to show the 9m figure for Mulan was a misreading of the available data.
So it's not a question of doing the proper net-net comparison, but to have an accurate figure for Mulan to begin with.

kidc wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 11:08 pm

tenia wrote: Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:58 am

Nasir007 wrote:yeah I don't quite think that is true. I think the estimate was 9 million households rented Mulan at 30 bucks a pop for 270 million. Maybe the entire thing goes to Disney and Tenet is at 300 mil ww and not all of it goes to WB.

The issue is that later analysis tended to show the 9m figure for Mulan was a misreading of the available data.
So it's not a question of doing the proper net-net comparison, but to have an accurate figure for Mulan to begin with.

The $260m figure was from Yahoo who misinterpreted what the data was telling them. 7Park (who supplied the data in the first place) clarified that the estimate should be around $60-90m.

Nasir007 wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:13 pmYikes. The yahoo number was what I was going by. That's a huge adjustment. And given how expensive Mulan was - I think that might create an even bigger financial loss than Tenet.

They are giving away Soul for free essentially. And that movie would have made bank in normal times. That's gotta be another huge write-down.

Nasir007 wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:54 pm Large scale movie watching is untenable without a vaccine. You need one large scale disaster to get the government to get in and it will all be downhill from there.

tenia wrote: Sun Oct 11, 2020 9:08 am Many govs are waiting for a vaccine because it's their exit door to the incapacity to handle the virus while stull clearly prioritising the economy.
It's kind of the last hope to be able not to do anything too drastic regarding our lifestyle despite being basically sieged by the virus, so let's just all hope for a vaccine so that we don't have to think about what we can do in the meantime.

tenia wrote: Sun Oct 11, 2020 11:33 pm I hope it does happen, because it's our best protection on a mid to long term, but yeah, it's going to take 12 to 18 months to have enough stuff up and running and staff trained to administer the vaccine properly (yes, it's a requirement though I don't know why it seems more complicated than it looks).

Lemmy Caution wrote: Sun Oct 11, 2020 6:38 am

Nasir007 wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:54 pm Large scale movie watching is untenable without a vaccine. You need one large scale disaster to get the government to get in and it will all be downhill from there.

Or proper containment of the virus.
It was always possible to stop transmission with a coordinated and serious effort.

For various stupid and unfathomable reasons the Trump Admin was never much interested in containment and decided to focus on treatment and vaccine development instead, allowing 10M plus Americans to get sick and at least a quarter million to die. China effectively eradicated the virus within its borders with a 2 month fairly strict national lockdown (voluntary in Shanghai, but there wasn't really anywhere to go), followed by a 2 month gradual phased in reopening.

The resulting economic disruption and resumption was much shorter in duration and significantly less than anything the US experienced. China reopened movie theaters at 30% capacity back on July 21 for the Shanghai Film Festival, and since upped capacity to 50% (with masks mandatory) in August. So it's been already over 2 months China has had a pretty functioning movie theater industry. I don't know if they are filling their permitted 50% quota -- if movie-goers have returned -- or what other cities have done.

I just think it's important to point out that alternate outcomes were definitely possible and the mess the US finds itself in is due to the ineptitude and extremely poor decisions made by the Trump Admin. And for those who get spooked or dismissive when China gets mentioned, New Zealand's Covid restrictions just almost completely eliminated any regular flu cases during their winter/flu season. A 99.8 percent reduction in flu cases; 6 flu cases total; an estimated 1500 lives saved.

John Shade wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 1:53 pmOh, and also blame Sweden for not following the methods of an oppressive and authoritarian regime who has things "under control."