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Re: Quarantined Monthly Guessing Thread
Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2023 3:41 pm
by revchu
I believe the last DVD upgrade was the Element of Crime upgrade in the Europe Trilogy Boxset for Jan 2023.
Before that, I think it was Le Corbeau (Sept 22), and then Summertime (July 22), so they still happen periodically.
Also remember we had Citizen Kane, Raging Bull, and Menace II Society laserdisc upgrades in the last two years as well.
Re: Quarantined Monthly Guessing Thread
Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2023 3:48 pm
by fiendishthingy
Kind of an unusual case, but they also upgraded Daisies to Blu-ray from the Eclipse DVD in November 2022.
Re: Quarantined Monthly Guessing Thread
Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2023 4:45 pm
by FrauBlucher
The Devil and Daniel Webster and Blast of Silence seem like the next logical upgrades due to their restorations. But with Criterion's caginess it could very well be something out of left field. I also wouldn't be surprised if they upgrade these two I mentioned all the way to UHD
Re: Quarantined Monthly Guessing Thread
Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:29 pm
by therewillbeblus
Yeah I expect most upgrades will be filtered into box sets (i.e. The Europe Trilogy) or from eclipse sets if the standalones are big favorites. I don't count laserdisc titles since there are so many of them that are huge hits and rights have often lapsed and gone to other distributors over the last decade-plus since they were in the collection (sometimes it seems like every cult favorite made before the late-90s has been a laserdisc title at some point in time). But I forgot about Le Corbeau and Summertime within the last year, so that's heartening
Re: Quarantined Monthly Guessing Thread
Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2023 4:39 pm
by rrenault
fiendishthingy wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 3:48 pm
Kind of an unusual case, but they also upgraded
Daisies to Blu-ray from the Eclipse DVD in November 2022.
I reckon Akerman’s
Les Rendez-vous d’Anna will also get a spine-numbered Blu at some point.
Re: Quarantined Monthly Guessing Thread
Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2023 4:41 pm
by rrenault
olmo wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:18 pm
Le Samouraï UHD upgrade.
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest UHD
I Know Where I'm Going! Blu Ray upgrade
Zabriskie Point / The Mystery of Oberwald
Le Samourai is getting released on UHD in France in November, although it’s unfortunately only a bloated deluxe edition retailing for €70. Maybe Eagle Pictures in Italy will give us a standard edition at some point.
Re: Quarantined Monthly Guessing Thread
Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2023 10:52 pm
by Computer Raheem
Freaks (UHD + Blu-ray)
Spellbound (Blu-ray upgrade)
The Devil and Daniel Webster (Blu-ray upgrade)
Werckmeister Harmonies (UHD + Blu-ray)
Atlantics (UHD + Blu-ray + DVD)
EO (Janus Contemporaries) (Blu-ray + DVD)
Can anyone guess a theme with the mainline title guesses?
Re: Quarantined Monthly Guessing Thread
Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2023 11:36 pm
by ryannichols7
therewillbeblus wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:23 pm
For those guessing blu-ray upgrades (I've been inconsistently doing this too), when was the last time Criterion upgraded one of their DVDs to blu-ray? I feel like it's been such a long stretch of UHD upgrades that I'm starting to doubt this'll happen again, except for the rare occasion where a DVD-release gets a 4K resto and double-format jump, or if we get a box set (i.e. P&P box might upgrade
I Know Where I'm Going, A Canterbury Tale)
Mamma Roma was boxset only but it definitely counts!
I definitely hope we see more.
Written on the Wind happened too, so I don't think they've entirely given up on them, even if they've definitely slowed down thanks to the UHD upgrades. Criterion have still yet to do a DVD -> UHD bump
Re: Quarantined Monthly Guessing Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 6:24 am
by ryannichols7
Mr. Deltoid wrote: Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:42 am
Tod Browning Set (The Unknown, Freaks, West of Zanzibar, etc.)
ianthemovie wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 12:31 pm
Freaks/Tod Browning set
how did you know this days ago?
Werckmeister Harmonies UHD
Dog Day Afternoon UHD
Saint Omer
The Devil and Daniel Webster BD
Contempt UHD*
Three Films by Tod Browning
*-the Lionsgate release listings have been pulled everywhere that I can see. there's no way that wasn't intentional, but maybe they're late to it? as I know most of us were shocked LGF were gonna retain that one, as it doesn't have nearly the marketability as
Ran or
The Man Who Fell to Earth. I think we may see it soon, but considering
The Trial was September and
Peeping Tom is likely for November or December, I'll be interested to see if we see this much Canal.
Re: Quarantined Monthly Guessing Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 6:39 am
by therewillbeblus
I swear I'm not speaking as a Godard fan here, but I think Contempt might be more marketable than a long Japanese Shakespeare adaptation or the Bowie alien movie. Not only is it more famous in cinephile circles, but it's usually the Godard film even people who don't like him seem to find widely accessible and universally love
Re: Quarantined Monthly Guessing Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 1:58 pm
by knives
That’s definitely not the case as even people who aren’t into film are likely to know Ran or Man Who Fell to Earth. I think you’re underrating the fame and audience desire for Samurai movies and Bowie.
Re: Quarantined Monthly Guessing Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:38 pm
by therewillbeblus
I'll never underestimate the Bowie love, which was why I chose my words carefully (not using the word "definitely" and speaking only to cinephile circles on that point), but I've never heard Ran mentioned outside of these spaces and I've never heard it called a "samurai movie" - and this includes all the people I know and have known who self-reportedly "only watch anime and old samurai movies." Anyway, I was just throwing an alternative guess out there. This is all anecdotal and subjective evidence, and the only "definite" information -whatever that looks like- is in the logs of the decision-makers
Re: Quarantined Monthly Guessing Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 3:06 pm
by Pavel
Not that it matters, but in my experience most non-cinephiles think of Kurosawa as a master filmmaker in the classically entertaining way (like Hitchcock or perhaps Kubrick) and of Godard as a symbol of unapproachable “art” cinema that stretches the boundaries of conventional art too much for them to meaningfully engage with, similar to contemporary avant-garde pieces. Of course, that idea is formed with them having seen, at best, one Godard film
Re: Quarantined Monthly Guessing Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 3:09 pm
by ryannichols7
they slapped an anime cover on Ran and it was even a steelbook, it sold through its limited print run. it was basically marketed for nerds!
absolutely no one is gonna walk into Best Buy and say "oh let me pick up this Jean Luc Godard movie" compared to the other two titles, hate to say it. there isn't an angle they can take there otherwise, short of having actual Bardot nude on the cover
Re: Quarantined Monthly Guessing Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 3:22 pm
by therewillbeblus
Fair points, but being surprised a company retained Contempt because it "doesn't have nearly the marketability" of the other two is still a puzzling statement. It's a beloved and well-known film, it will sell very well, and it makes sense that a company interested in preserving culturally significant films would secure it. Contempt also far-surpassed Ran on the S&S poll, and we've already seen the way that list has affected release strategies
I guess when I read "marketability," I don't assume you're just referring to the community of people browsing Best Buy looking at cool covers. The bulk of the film community invested in physical media isn't going to be appalled at this move
Re: Quarantined Monthly Guessing Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 3:23 pm
by Computer Raheem
Not to derail the
Contempt speculation train, but
Videodrome's got
a trailer and new caps; upgrade imminent
Re: Quarantined Monthly Guessing Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 3:29 pm
by ryannichols7
therewillbeblus wrote: Mon Jul 17, 2023 3:22 pm
Fair points, but being surprised a company retained
Contempt because it "doesn't have nearly the marketability" of the other two is still a puzzling statement. It's a beloved and well-known film, it will sell very well, and it makes sense that a company interested in preserving culturally significant films would secure it.
Contempt also far-surpassed
Ran on the S&S poll, and we've already seen the way that list has affected release strategies
I guess when I read "marketability," I don't assume you're just referring to the community of people browsing Best Buy looking at cool covers. The bulk of the film community invested in physical media isn't going to be appalled at this move
Criterion and Lionsgate releasing it are two very different things! it's also the only Godard movie I really like so maybe there's bias there, certainly. but it doesn't have David Bowie, and it can't be marketed to weebs, so I have zero clue what Lionsgate would see in it. Criterion marketing it is an entirely different story, and I'm sure they would kill to keep it, considering it's on the channel even still and they tweet stills from it constantly
Re: Quarantined Monthly Guessing Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 3:34 pm
by therewillbeblus
ryannichols7 wrote: Mon Jul 17, 2023 3:29 pm
it's also the only Godard movie I really like
-said so many people, including perhaps the staff at Lionsgate!
Re: Quarantined Monthly Guessing Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 3:35 pm
by DRW.mov
Re: Quarantined Monthly Guessing Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 3:37 pm
by ryannichols7
well that certainly isn't the one of the Paramount Six I expected to come back first. but it does make sense...it already has a 4K restoration and has been released in other territories. bodes well for the other five though!
Re: Quarantined Monthly Guessing Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 3:40 pm
by Computer Raheem
Time to perform a ritual so we can get a
Days of Heaven 4K; who's in?
Re: Quarantined Monthly Guessing Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 3:45 pm
by ryannichols7
Computer Raheem wrote: Mon Jul 17, 2023 3:40 pm
Time to perform a ritual so we can get a
Days of Heaven 4K; who's in?
all in, but it definitely needs a new restoration, something it lacks. it'll sadly probably be the last of them -
Nashville,
Harold and Maude, and
La Dolce Vita have 4K scans and more recent restorations, and I believe it was confirmed Paramount were keeping
Rosemary's Baby? I'm surprised we haven't seen
Badlands or
Days of Heaven get the UHD bump yet. what is Malick up to?
Re: Quarantined Monthly Guessing Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 3:49 pm
by Red Screamer
rrenault wrote: Sun Jul 16, 2023 4:39 pm
fiendishthingy wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 3:48 pm
Kind of an unusual case, but they also upgraded
Daisies to Blu-ray from the Eclipse DVD in November 2022.
I reckon Akerman’s
Les Rendez-vous d’Anna will also get a spine-numbered Blu at some point.
The Belgian Cinematek is finishing restorations of Akerman's complete filmography. I bet they will all come out on HD, and sooner rather than later.
Re: Quarantined Monthly Guessing Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 3:50 pm
by Computer Raheem
ryannichols7 wrote: Mon Jul 17, 2023 3:45 pm
all in, but it definitely needs a new restoration, something it lacks. it'll sadly probably be the last of them -
Nashville,
Harold and Maude, and
La Dolce Vita have 4K scans and more recent restorations, and I believe it was confirmed Paramount were keeping
Rosemary's Baby? I'm surprised we haven't seen
Badlands or
Days of Heaven get the UHD bump yet. what is Malick up to?
I'm not surprised Paramount's keeping
Rosemary's Baby (even without the Polanski of it all, that title was a get for Criterion in the first place), but I could easily see
Nashville and
Harold and Maude returning, given that those Paramount Presents releases are not (to my knowledge) 4K releases; if Criterion can get them back, that would be a convenient reason to do so
As for what Malick is up to, he's (allegedly) still finishing up his Jesus movie; he needs at least an extra five years to cut out half the cast
Re: Quarantined Monthly Guessing Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 3:58 pm
by rrenault
Is it possible StudioCanal rather than Paramount is involved in Don’t Look Now returning to Criterion, or is it confirmed SC has nothing to do with Don’t Look Now in North America?