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Trouble in Paradise BD
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas UHD
Seven Samurai UHD
Days of Heaven UHD
Saint Omer BD

rrenault wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:09 pm P.S. Do people here tend to just make wishlists or are these educated guesses based on murmurs?

Usually a mix of both, there are no rules

Afire

rrenault wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:09 pm P.S. Do people here tend to just make wishlists or are these educated guesses based on murmurs? For instance, I haven’t heard anything about The Searchers being with Criterion, even though that was mentioned above.

I usually do a mix of both, a lot of times I just look and see what major films haven’t been released and guess it. This year Warner Bros. has been putting out UHD’s of a bunch of their big titles but we’ve heard nothing about The Searchers, so I guessed that the reason might be because Criterion is putting it out. Two Novembers ago, they put out Citizen Kane on UHD, a major WB owned title, last November it was Malcolm X, another big WB title. WB seems willing to license big stuff to Criterion, so if the pattern continues we‘ll might get another one, The Searchers seemed to fit the bill, as could North by Northwest, The Treasure of the Sierra Madre, Barry Lyndon, or a bunch of other stuff especially if we include MGM, RKO, and their other libraries, I could definitely seem Amadeus, for one.

bottlesofsmoke wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2023 4:24 pmWB seems willing to license big stuff to Criterion, so if the pattern continues we‘ll might get another one, The Searchers seemed to fit the bill, as could North by Northwest, The Treasure of the Sierra Madre, Barry Lyndon, or a bunch of other stuff especially if we include MGM, RKO, and their other libraries, I could definitely seem Amadeus, for one.

Warner doesn't actually own Amadeus, which they distribute under license from the Saul Zaentz Company, along with some other titles like One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest and The Mosquito Coast (plus ex-Criterion The Unbearable Lightness of Being). I don't know if that would prevent WB from sublicensing it, but it's not as cut-and-dry as Kane or other films that WB owns outright.

Amadeus 4K
Guillermo del Toro's Pinocchio 4K
Chocolat 4K
Werckmeister Harmonies 4K
The Mother and the Whore

There is a growing list of long-rumored WB owned titles supposedly with Criterion. A small sampling:

Adam’s Rib
Lusty Men
Lolita
Petulia
The Wild Bunch
The Devils
Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid
O Lucky Man
Mean Streets
Alice Doesn’t Live Here Anymore
Dog Day Afternoon
Amadeus
The Sheltering Sky
Eyes Wide Shut

Hopefully, one of these will materialize soon.

House Party
Jeanne Dielmann UHD
Saint Omer
Tommy
Werckmeister Harmonies

if House Party got a criterion release I'd lose it (in the best way)

my guesses:

seven samurai 4k
le samourai 4k
peeping tom 4k
dead presidents 4k
news from home

The Fanciful Norwegian wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2023 4:53 pm

bottlesofsmoke wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2023 4:24 pmWB seems willing to license big stuff to Criterion, so if the pattern continues we‘ll might get another one, The Searchers seemed to fit the bill, as could North by Northwest, The Treasure of the Sierra Madre, Barry Lyndon, or a bunch of other stuff especially if we include MGM, RKO, and their other libraries, I could definitely seem Amadeus, for one.

Warner doesn't actually own Amadeus, which they distribute under license from the Saul Zaentz Company, along with some other titles like One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest and The Mosquito Coast (plus ex-Criterion The Unbearable Lightness of Being). I don't know if that would prevent WB from sublicensing it, but it's not as cut-and-dry as Kane or other films that WB owns outright.

As I recall, Amadeus was confirmed a long time ago, but with the caveat that it needed an extensive 4K do-over that would delay its release to an unknown date. So whoever owns it apparently made that deal.

CSM126 wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2023 6:18 pm

The Fanciful Norwegian wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2023 4:53 pm

bottlesofsmoke wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2023 4:24 pmWB seems willing to license big stuff to Criterion, so if the pattern continues we‘ll might get another one, The Searchers seemed to fit the bill, as could North by Northwest, The Treasure of the Sierra Madre, Barry Lyndon, or a bunch of other stuff especially if we include MGM, RKO, and their other libraries, I could definitely seem Amadeus, for one.

Warner doesn't actually own Amadeus, which they distribute under license from the Saul Zaentz Company, along with some other titles like One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest and The Mosquito Coast (plus ex-Criterion The Unbearable Lightness of Being). I don't know if that would prevent WB from sublicensing it, but it's not as cut-and-dry as Kane or other films that WB owns outright.

As I recall, Amadeus was confirmed a long time ago, but with the caveat that it needed an extensive 4K do-over that would delay its release to an unknown date. So whoever owns it apparently made that deal.

A brand new 35mm print of Amadeus is playing at the Academy Film Museum later in the month, and I’m curious to see if it uses the 4K as its source. The restoration of Unbearable Lightness has been in the can for several years

bottlesofsmoke wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2023 4:24 pm

rrenault wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:09 pm P.S. Do people here tend to just make wishlists or are these educated guesses based on murmurs? For instance, I haven’t heard anything about The Searchers being with Criterion, even though that was mentioned above.

I usually do a mix of both, a lot of times I just look and see what major films haven’t been released and guess it. This year Warner Bros. has been putting out UHD’s of a bunch of their big titles but we’ve heard nothing about The Searchers, so I guessed that the reason might be because Criterion is putting it out. Two Novembers ago, they put out Citizen Kane on UHD, a major WB owned title, last November it was Malcolm X, another big WB title. WB seems willing to license big stuff to Criterion, so if the pattern continues we‘ll might get another one, The Searchers seemed to fit the bill, as could North by Northwest, The Treasure of the Sierra Madre, Barry Lyndon, or a bunch of other stuff especially if we include MGM, RKO, and their other libraries, I could definitely seem Amadeus, for one.

On a side note, how did Amadeus end up with WB, considering everything else Orion released in the 80s is with MGM? Never mind, it looks like it’s due to the Zentz connection.

I do remember being surprised Warner would license Malcolm X to Criterion. Sony seem to be hoarding anything remotely commercial or legacy-y for themselves, which probably means Criterion 4Ks of Punch Drunk-Love and The Age of Innocence aren’t in the cards.

Wasn’t Orion otherwise backed by WB in the late 70’s/early 80’s

flyonthewall2983 wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2023 9:16 pm Wasn’t Orion otherwise backed by WB in the late 70’s/early 80’s

Correct. Films like Wolfen and Prince of the City were made as a result of this alliance with WB

Warner kept most of the Orion films it distributed (excepting those that Orion didn't actually own, like Life of Brian and Hammett), but Amadeus wasn't one of them—they'd already split by that point. Orion was also the original distributor of The Unbearable Lightness of Being.

rrenault wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:09 pm I don’t know why, but for some reason I don’t see Werckmeister Harmonies getting a UHD, especially since they didn’t give EO a UHD, even though it was *the* European arthouse film of the last few years. I’m sure a Blue Velvet UHD will happen sooner or later though. Likewise The Graduate.

P.S. Do people here tend to just make wishlists or are these educated guesses based on murmurs? For instance, I haven’t heard anything about The Searchers being with Criterion, even though that was mentioned above.

don't think the two films you compared have anything to do with each other. Werckmeister Harmonies is a much bigger deal than EO, the latter of which I'd say is a stretch to say was the Euro arthouse film, especially given this very label released Triangle of Sadness and The Worst Person in the World recently enough, the former on UHD.

that said it's usually guesswork - I have slowed down on the speculation roundup in the last few months (did anyone notice?) but I will say an alarming number of confirmations/speculations come from other labels (generally Kino) rather than Criterion themselves. it's relatively easy guesswork these days - if a studio like Warner, in its 100th anniversary, haven't released a film, it's a decent bet Criterion may be sitting on it. if it's a Paramount or Universal holding that KLSC didn't release, you can almost guarantee Criterion is sitting on it. The Searchers is one we haven't heard a peep out of Warner about, and that's a de facto WB film, not MGM or RKO. to not celebrate it on their big anniversary (especially given it was a really early Bluray release) would be really surprising. wouldn't be a shock if they licensed it to Criterion, who I dream of hiring Joseph McBride and Tag Gallagher to come in and talk about it.

CSM126 wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2023 6:18 pm As I recall, Amadeus was confirmed a long time ago, but with the caveat that it needed an extensive 4K do-over that would delay its release to an unknown date. So whoever owns it apparently made that deal.

it was never confirmed, only rumored by one blog that isn't particularly reputable. the reddit and twitter crowd took it and ran with it. that said, it is certainly a title Criterion would go for, and I'm sure they will do. but calling it "confirmed" is something that's annoyed me since day 1

anyway...

The Dirty Stories of Jean Eustache
Werckmeister Harmonies UHD
Dog Day Afternoon UHD
Contempt UHD upgrade
Days of Heaven UHD upgrade

PANDORA'S BOX upgrade, now that I've pre-ordered the MOC blu-ray
BOY (Oshima)
SONGS FROM THE SECOND FLOOR
WERCKMEISTER HARMONIES

Jean Eustache box set
Brazil UHD
Blue Velvet UHD
Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid UHD
Del Toro's Nightmare Alley in black and white UHD
Eastern Condors

Tales of the Four Seasons
del Toro's Pinocchio
Sorrentino's The Hand of God
Heroic Trio / Executioners
Eyes Wide Shut UHD

The White Ribbon (4K)
Breaking News
Lancelot du Lac
Circle Of Deceit
Quiz Show
Rushmore (4K upgrade)

Une femme douce
Sleuth (because if I ask for it enough times it just may get a release in 2035).
Mon oncle d'Amerique
I Know Where I'm Going (4K upgrade)
The Home and the World
Chaplin: The First National Films

JSC wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 7:08 pm Une femme douce
Sleuth (because if I ask for it enough times it just may get a release in 2035).
Mon oncle d'Amerique
I Know Where I'm Going (4K upgrade)
The Home and the World
Chaplin: The First National Films

I’m guessing you already know that Sleuth is caught up in the same Bristol-Myers Squibb rights hellscape as The Heartbreak Kid and others.

Yes, but one can always dream. I'm being cautiously optimistic about 2035!

Werckmeister Harmonies (UHD + BD)
Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid (UHD + BD boxset)
The Dirty Stories of Jean Eustache (BD boxset)
Guillermo del Toro's Pinocchio (UHD + BD + DVD)
Seven Samurai (UHD + BD upgrade)
The Heroic Trio / Executioners (BD)

Also calling an potential upgrade for the Bruce Lee boxset in the near future

The Dirty Works of Jean Eustache blu-ray boxset
Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid 4K with both the studio cut and Peckinpah’s preview version.
Los Olvidados blu-ray
Days of Heaven 4k
Peeping Tom 4K