Re: The Horror List Discussion and Suggestions (Genre Projec
Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:21 pm
Since we're talking about Japan, any fans of Noroi? It's well worth tracking down.
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I didn't actually watch it with this project in mind. Spurred on by MichaelB's recent mention of Chang Cheh's outrageous 5 Element Ninjas, I've been (re)watching a lot of martial arts films these past few days, and just threw in Human Lanterns because I remembered the title. Maybe because I watched it in the context of stuff like 36th Chamber of Shaolin and Five Fingers of Death, but Lantern's horror elements stood out all the more, and the Kung Fu element increasingly seemed like a way to advance the horror theme and keep the plot flowing than in itself the point or the main theme. I saw it as functional rather than central. Chao's horror chamber is the structural core of the movie (it's the first image of the movie; it's dislocated spatially from the rest of the sets, which are unified by the town setting; entering it starts the plot proper, and each subsequent entrance of it by another character causes the horrors to magnify; and it has to be destroyed in a grand apocalypse of fire, which even then fails to return the plot to unity--things remain broken).Cold Bishop wrote:I don't know that I'd vote for that, personally: I consider it's emphasis more on the kung-fu than the horror
Indeed. In fact, The Imp is the only one there I would call horror in any "conventional" sense, meaning it actually tries to scare. The Boxers Omen and The Seventh Curse are recommended, but they're more insanely inventive than frightening. Her Vengeance is a very ultra-violent (if very effective) rape-revenge film that I wouldn't call horror at all; I think it has a closer relation to the Heroic Bloodshed films if anything, even if it is a Cat III classic. A Chinese Ghost Story is a great film, but it's as much a fantasy wuxia as a horror film. I wouldn't place Dreadnaught anywhere near the genre. Spooky Encounter is entertaining, but in it's mix of genre (Horror-Kung Fu-Comedy), horror gets the short straw. It looks like the The Happy Ghost is practically a kid's film. I was never won over by Mr. Vampire, but it's definitely more of a horror film than, say, Ghostbusters. We're Going to Eat You is also a horror-comedy, but much more grim, much more convincing (Hark was inspired by Italian cannibal films), and with some genuinely unsettling moments among all the anarchy (which does get a bit tiring).YnEoS wrote:Some of these may be mashups of other genres too and not strictly horror.
That he saw the horror elements submerged in the "sword-play and intrigue" genre and decided to bring them to the foreground is enough for me to consider it a horror without feeling like I'm stretching anything. There isn't a theme in the movie that you cannot also find in many other horror films, so it isn't so much a hybrid to me (like, say, Mr. Vampire or Spooky Encounters) as a demonstration that some stories that are essential to one mode of discourse can also be told just as effectively with another, one would think opposed, discourse.Cold Bishop wrote:What Sun Chung did with this film was identify how closely these often echoed horror films, and decided to take it a step further.
The rape-revenge film is another one of those stories essential to two different genres (horror films and martial arts films, the latter being exemplified in stuff like Lady Snow Blood). Have you seen Kiss of Death, the earlier Shaw Brothers rape-revenge film? How does it compare with Her Vengeance?Cold Bishop wrote:Her Vengeance is a very ultra-violent (if very effective) rape-revenge film that I wouldn't call horror at all; I think it has a closer relation to the Heroic Bloodshed films if anything, even if it is a Cat III classic.
I like Human Lanterns. As a hybrid of martial arts and horror it is well done with both aspects. I don't find it a controversial pick here.Mr Sausage wrote: ... my choice to list Human Lanters seems positively uncontroversial. I hope other people check it out, tho', and give their own thoughts on where it stands in the genre.
The rape-revenge film is another one of those stories essential to two different genres (horror films and martial arts films, the latter being exemplified in stuff like Lady Snow Blood). Have you seen Kiss of Death, the earlier Shaw Brothers rape-revenge film? How does it compare with Her Vengeance?Cold Bishop wrote:Her Vengeance is a very ultra-violent (if very effective) rape-revenge film that I wouldn't call horror at all; I think it has a closer relation to the Heroic Bloodshed films if anything, even if it is a Cat III classic.
I've seen both, and I definitely prefer the later film. Kiss of Death is definitely an action thriller: Hong Kong cinema of the era was openly trying to imitate the "sophisticated" cinema of Japan at the time, and this was quite clearly one of their attempts at a Pinky Violence film. It's still a Hong Kong film, so it doesn't stray too far from kung-fu. And, like the roadshow hucksters of old, Shaw often excused their exploitation with a message, so we get an entire chunk of the film devoted to the dangers of STD. I think that's more of a Shaw Bros. and censorship issue, however; I really don't blame Ho Meng-Hua for the film's problems: I actually think the film is as watchable as it is precisely because of him, and it's definitely a handsome, stylish film. In fact, the first 15 minutes of the movie, a near wordless sequence covering not just the rape, but Chen Ping's trauma afterwards, is incredibly impressive, possibly better than anything in the remake. It actually reminds me of certain things Abel Ferrara did in Ms. 45, and had the film continued that way, it would be much more than an Exploitation curio.Mr Sausage wrote:Have you seen Kiss of Death, the earlier Shaw Brothers rape-revenge film? How does it compare with Her Vengeance?
Never saw it. I pretty much tuned out to most Hong Kong cinema after the late 90s (as many did): Gen-X Cops was the film did it for me... although that didn't spare me the indignity of suffering through Twins Effect. It's only been recently that I've been getting back into the last decade's cinema, mainly their crime cinema (which doesn't begin and end with Johnnie To alone). Any other horror recommendations from the period?masterofoneinchpunch wrote:Cold Bishop, since yesterday was Leslie Cheung Kwok-Wing's anniversary of his death, what did you think of Inner Senses? I would consider a psychological thriller first and then a ghost story. It's not a top 50 horror film, but for fans of Hong Kong ghost stories I feel it is worth watching.
Woohoo! Glad you liked it.Mr Sausage wrote:Considering I'm going to be voting for stuff like...Katalin Varga
Well thank you for the recommendation. Like Cold Bishop, I'm not a fan of the rape revenge film, so this may actually be the best one I've ever seen, not least becauseswo17 wrote:Woohoo! Glad you liked it.Mr Sausage wrote:Considering I'm going to be voting for stuff like...Katalin Varga
Inner Senses is particularly creepy because there are parallels between the later death of Leslie Cheung and scenes in the movie.Cold Bishop wrote: ... Never saw it. I pretty much tuned out to most Hong Kong cinema after the late 90s (as many did): Gen-X Cops was the film did it for me... although that didn't spare me the indignity of suffering through Twins Effect. It's only been recently that I've been getting back into the last decade's cinema, mainly their crime cinema (which doesn't begin and end with Johnnie To alone). Any other horror recommendations from the period?
I am wondering how the longer film plays out compared to the short, though several reviews at HKMDB have me suspecting that there is much more filler. I do think the movie affects those who think more about their food.knives wrote:I thought that Dumplings was the weakest segment actually. Sort of bland and the big disturbing reveal was kind of meh and silly. Even that plot holes in the Park at least leave room for interesting discussion.
Now I know where Vacancy got its ideas from!domino harvey wrote:The motel's cabins are realistically dingy and sketch and that's even before we realize there's a secret tunnel system below connecting all of the domiciles. Which means at unfortunate moments throughout the film, this crazy woman will pop out from hidden trap doors in the locked cabins to slay the innocent. Even handled somewhat clumsily, there's something ingenious about the scene where two people leave a third alone in a locked bathroom, only to check on her two minutes later and find the sealed room empty save a huge bloody smear on the wall.
I do like this film, but I don't think I could vote for it as it hasn't got a tenth of the personal impact of the low-budget TV serialization of the novel from the 70s, Escape Into Night, which happily traumatized me (and a number of my schoolmates) at age 5. The series (as I recall after all those years) made a lot more of the slow-build set-up of the dream world and the discovery of its parameters,domino harvey wrote:Paperhouse (Bernard Rose 1988) A singularly peculiar film. Like L'Annulaire, it's hard to figure what exactly It All Means, much less who the audience could possibly be for such an esoteric and majestic film. What could be cute or cheap-- sick little girl draws her dreams-- is instead simply enchanting. At some point during the film I stopped trying to figure out the specifics (a meaningless exercise) and accepted the film at the logic it presents as the scenario alternates between the hellish and the angelic. Besides the rather obvious praise the film merits on a visual level, I found the central child performances excellent, especially the lead girl, who gives a rather round portrayal of Anna: besides brave and warm, she's bratty and petulant and selfish-- but who wasn't at that age?
You've got just one week zedz if you wish to revisit.zedz wrote: I do like this film, but I don't think I could vote for it as it hasn't got a tenth of the personal impact of the low-budget TV serialization of the novel from the 70s, Escape Into Night, which happily traumatized me (and a number of my schoolmates) at age 5. The series (as I recall after all those years) made a lot more of the slow-build set-up of the dream world and the discovery of its parameters,By comparison, the film seemed a bit rushed and hesitant (particularly about just where it's going with the father figure), but it has got at least one really great scare to add to its excellent premise and strong child performance.Spoiler
with the rock monsters hissing "we're coming" in the dark in a tone we'd use for years to terrorize one another. And I can still feel the existential shivers that tiny me experienced when Marianne discovers that she couldn't erase what she'd drawn.