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Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2024 5:55 pm
by ryannichols7
nicolas wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2024 5:20 pm
ryannichols7 wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2024 4:47 pm
honestly it's a good month all around for licenses. with word that Sony is going to be doing less, it's good to see Criterion do a new title from them, and I'm generally in for all Wyler. and yes, while it's one I really do not like, a Fox title! they almost made up for that joke of a boxset. almost
Where did you hear that from? Their current output probably isn’t reflective of what’s to come but they’re really pushing the format into uncharted territory and deliver quite the amount of unexpected upgrades.
Indicator and Radiance powers that be both confirmed they aren't doing much in the UK, and we know their deal with Kino didn't work out. so it's not to say Criterion won't continue a good relationship with them, but it was a little worrying (on top of all the random grab bag 4K boxes). nice to see at the very least CC can work with them, though I wish the UK labels could too

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2024 6:01 pm
by colinr0380
If Criterion are wanting to add more films to the collection that won the Best Picture Oscar, might I suggest CODA? I don't think that has received any disc release at all as yet, and that might be a coup for anyone who can release it on disc.

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2024 7:00 pm
by DimitriL
I think they would LOVE to break open the Apple Films pipeline. If they get Killer Moon, I would be unsurprised to see that follow.

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2024 10:36 pm
by ryannichols7
I'm sure they'd love to lob even more middling contemporary fare our way, let's be real

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2024 2:00 am
by DimitriL
A best picture winner is a best picture winner.

Unless it’s Crash.

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2024 8:54 am
by TechnicolorAcid
DimitriL wrote: Fri Aug 16, 2024 2:00 am A best picture winner is a best picture winner.

Unless it’s Crash.
I thought Brokeback Mountain was announced as the winner when they redid the voting 10 years later.

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2024 9:31 am
by rrenault
So are Criterion abandoning new Blu-ray only titles for the main line then. That’s what it seems. My concern is this means they’ll just sit on titles that aren’t commercially viable enough for a North American UHD release, not make them physically available at all. I’m thinking of all the Eustache and Naruse films, some of the less popular Truffaut titles, and even something like Classe Tous Risques. “Risques” and Confidentially Yours are getting/have gotten the UHD treatment in France, but how many UHD units would those realistically move in North America?

Of the five Truffaut films getting UHDs from Carlotta in October in France only Shoot The Piano Player has a chance of getting a North American UHD in my opinion.

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2024 11:09 am
by RSTooley
DimitriL wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2024 7:00 pm I think they would LOVE to break open the Apple Films pipeline. If they get Killer Moon, I would be unsurprised to see that follow.
Criterion has already released The Velvet Underground by Todd Haynes. I'm sure the opportunity to license CODA is there if they ever wanted to pursue it.

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2024 11:11 am
by nicolas
RSTooley wrote: Fri Aug 16, 2024 11:09 am
DimitriL wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2024 7:00 pm I think they would LOVE to break open the Apple Films pipeline. If they get Killer Moon, I would be unsurprised to see that follow.
Criterion has already released The Velvet Underground by Todd Haynes. I'm sure the opportunity to license CODA is there if they ever wanted to pursue it.
The Velvet Underground was licensed from Polygram and the doc’s copyright is also theirs. The Apple logo appears on the packaging but maybe the physical rights were something totally separate from streaming in this particular case.

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2024 3:45 pm
by dwk
rrenault wrote: Fri Aug 16, 2024 9:31 am So are Criterion abandoning new Blu-ray only titles for the main line then. That’s what it seems. My concern is this means they’ll just sit on titles that aren’t commercially viable enough for a North American UHD release, not make them physically available at all. I’m thinking of all the Eustache and Naruse films, some of the less popular Truffaut titles, and even something like Classe Tous Risques. “Risques” and Confidentially Yours are getting/have gotten the UHD treatment in France, but how many UHD units would those realistically move in North America?

Of the five Truffaut films getting UHDs from Carlotta in October in France only Shoot The Piano Player has a chance of getting a North American UHD in my opinion.
They've done some Blu-ray only releases lately, Victims of Sin, The Underground Railroad. And I think they will still do them when they feel a UHD isn't warranted, but I think they are comfortable releasing riskier titles on UHD now.

I do with they'd resurrect either the Essential Arthouse or Eclipse lines as a way to get some of the Janus stuff out on Blu-ray (or even start a new line called Janus Classics.)

Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2024 12:01 am
by Matt
dwk wrote:I do wish they'd resurrect either the Essential Arthouse or Eclipse lines as a way to get some of the Janus stuff out on Blu-ray (or even start a new line called Janus Classics.)
I keep saying that the Channel is the replacement for Eclipse and Essential Arthouse, but these 2- and 3-film sets with minimal extras such as the Kira Muratova, Sembene, Haneke, are also taking up that slack.

I wonder if some of the extreme austerity we’ve been seeing from them recently is from courting buyers by making the balance sheet look good. Perhaps they’ll be a little more generous now that they’ve got more stable funding. They can’t be seeing all these boutique labels like Indicator and Radiance and Arrow kicking their ass with good transfers and lavish features and taking away the lesson of “we need to just put a couple 10-minute interviews on a disc with an adequate transfer and charge $40-$50 for it.”

I think they also need to be smart and limit their 50% off sales and cool it with the $10 coupons, but I’m going to get pelted with rotten fruit and have my Criterion Channel Charter Member titanium card revoked for that opinion.

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2024 12:53 am
by dwk
Matt wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 12:01 am I wonder if some of the extreme austerity we’ve been seeing from them recently is from courting buyers by making the balance sheet look good. Perhaps they’ll be a little more generous now that they’ve got more stable funding. They can’t be seeing all these boutique labels like Indicator and Radiance and Arrow kicking their ass with good transfers and lavish features and taking away the lesson of “we need to just put a couple 10-minute interviews on a disc with an adequate transfer and charge $40-$50 for it.”
I think to increase the amount of new extras on everything, they'd have to reduce what they pay their contributors to what those primarily UK labels pay. I dont known how that would go over with said contributors.

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2024 1:09 am
by yoloswegmaster
dwk wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 12:53 am I think to increase the amount of new extras on everything, they'd have to reduce what they pay their contributors to what those primarily UK labels pay. I dont known how that would go over with said contributors.
Don't you know that you're only allowed to mention that if you're planning on doing an exposé on the situation?
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On the real though, it's not just the UK labels who are underpaying, as every other US label is doing the same thing. Hopefully the new owner will help increase funds towards extras but since he was only hired a few months, we won't be seeing any noticeable changes until next year since these releases have been locked in for a while now. I also hope that we see more extras so that the same users can stop bringing up this stale topic every month. As someone who has plenty of their releases, I'm confused as to why Radiance is being hyped up since a lot (and I mean a lot) of their releases have outdated transfers and a lack of extras, though this could simply be due to them being a new label but still.

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2024 2:26 am
by dwk
yoloswegmaster wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 1:09 am Don't you know that you're only allowed to mention that if you're planning on doing an exposé on the situation?
Actually that would be something that I would like to read/watch/listen to. How many podcasts/YouTube channels are dedicated to physical media? This should be a topic that they would want to cover.
On the real though, it's not just the UK labels who are underpaying, as every other US label is doing the same thing. Hopefully the new owner will help increase funds towards extras but since he was only hired a few months, we won't be seeing any noticeable changes until next year since these releases have been locked in for a while now...
Yes, but I mentioned UK because they were the labels Matt mentioned.

Hopefully the new owner does enable them to increase the budget for special features.

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2024 4:04 pm
by yoloswegmaster
dwk wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 2:26 am
yoloswegmaster wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 1:09 am Don't you know that you're only allowed to mention that if you're planning on doing an exposé on the situation?
Actually that would be something that I would like to read/watch/listen to. How many podcasts/YouTube channels are dedicated to physical media? This should be a topic that they would want to cover.
There a few YT channels and podcasts that center on physical media but I doubt they would even touch this topic since a lot of them seem to have connections with people working for the other labels, so I don't think they would want to burn that bridge. There's also another reason why they won't bring it up (and it's the same reason why no one else here or elsewhere will bring it up) but...
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yoloswegmaster wrote: Fri Apr 26, 2024 10:15 pm Janus is listed as the rightsholder for Cairo Station, and I was also able to confirm with the company that holds the rights to the films of Youssef Chahine that Criterion has the rights to around 20 of his films that have been restored.
Anyways, bringing back the thread to the speculation. All 20 of the Chahine films that are on the Channel open with the CC and Janus logos. It's cool that we can see these films somewhere but it would be cool to see physical media releases of these sometime. They should take a page out of the playbook from the WCP boxsets and do multi-volume sets.

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2024 6:10 pm
by Finch
How do we even establish that Criterion are the only label paying their contributors appropriate compensation? Because that's what being implied in the conversation above. What's your source or point of reference? I doubt that any of those labels, Criterion included, shared their expenditure sheets with yoloswegmaster.

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2024 6:35 pm
by yoloswegmaster
Obviously I'm not getting the financial records from any label but I am basing this off of a post made by MichaelB:
MichaelB wrote: I can certainly confirm first-hand that they pay their contributors a lot more than is the norm for most labels - and I've worked with multiple labels on both sides of the Atlantic, so know that current rates elsewhere are much of a muchness.

Of course, one could argue that Criterion's rates are fairer for the amount of work typically involved - I don't know what they pay for commentaries, but I suspect it's a rather more realistic fee than is the norm pretty much across the board now, which is well below minimum wage on an hourly basis if you do a ton of research and prep before getting in front of the microphone. And in fact I know of a couple of audio commentators who won't do them any more (including one of my favourites) because fees have dropped below what they consider to be an acceptable minimum for the amount of preparatory work needed to do a good one.

But if Criterion-level fees were the norm, the sad fact is that most boutiques wouldn't record commentaries any more.
Considering that he has worked for labels like Arrow, Indicator, VS, Radiance, Second Run, and plenty others that I can't remember, I would take his word for it. Even James Steffen has provided this insight, and I would say that he is a trustworthy source (unless you're stating otherwise):
jsteffe wrote: When I contributed special features to a Criterion edition I felt that they did indeed pay fairly for the time involved. Not a "lavish" amount of money, but very fair. I have heard anecdotally that the fees for other labels can be far lower, as in not economically sustainable for contributors.
I am not sure the tone in that post was warranted. Anyways, I'm tired of this, so this is the last from me on this.

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2024 6:40 pm
by Finch
You of all people have got quite a nerve to lecture anyone else on this board about tone. I do recommend you take another extended break from this forum.

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2024 2:28 pm
by yoloswegmaster
Criterion listed as one of the restorers (alongside The UCLA Film and Television Archive, Wimmin With a Mission Productions, and The Sundance Institute) for Zeinabu irene Davis's Compensation, which will be screening at the NYFF

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2024 2:31 pm
by beamish14
yoloswegmaster wrote: Thu Aug 22, 2024 2:28 pm Criterion listed as one of the restorers (alongside The UCLA Film and Television Archive, Wimmin With a Mission Productions, and The Sundance Institute) for Zeinabu irene Davis's Compensation, which will be screening at the NYFF


Yep. I saw this at the Hammer with her in person a while back. She also made a short at UCLA in 1986 that was shot by Charles Burnett. I imagine both would be on an eventual release

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2024 7:42 pm
by Black Hat
I really don't understand why this topic, which is an important one to discuss, with everyone having something to offer, inevitably turns adversarial. We can all have our say without sniping at one another's heels.

Finch: What Yolo said, along with the Michael B and James Steffen posts he quoted, are commonly known within the industry and even without that are easy to deduce.


Matt, in my view, is on the right track. Criterion's pricepoint has not gone up, has it ever? I can't think of another product that's never raised its price. It's a risky thing to do but, it is the easiest path to getting the company out its financial rut.


dwk wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 12:53 am
Matt wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 12:01 am I wonder if some of the extreme austerity we’ve been seeing from them recently is from courting buyers by making the balance sheet look good. Perhaps they’ll be a little more generous now that they’ve got more stable funding. They can’t be seeing all these boutique labels like Indicator and Radiance and Arrow kicking their ass with good transfers and lavish features and taking away the lesson of “we need to just put a couple 10-minute interviews on a disc with an adequate transfer and charge $40-$50 for it.”
I think to increase the amount of new extras on everything, they'd have to reduce what they pay their contributors to what those primarily UK labels pay. I dont known how that would go over with said contributors.
That's certainly a take, blimey.

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2024 8:01 pm
by dwk
I don't think that is too big of a leap. Price increase is likely off the table, people already unreasonably bitch about their MSRP, even though it is the same, if not lower than a lot of other US labels, without the FOMO limited edition nonsense from those labels (Arrow's UHDs have $60 MSRP, with no Blu-ray vs $50 for Criterion, which comes with a Blu-ray, Vinegar Syndrome's Blu-rays start with a $45 MSRP, etc.) So, increasing the amount of special features, across the board, would have to come one of two ways, bigger budget allocated for special features, not really a viable option without an increase in units sold during the non-sale months, or paying people less. And do you think past contributors would be happy if Criterion approached them next year participate in a special feature/write an essay, and told them they weren't going to pay what they paid last year?

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2024 1:29 pm
by TechnicolorAcid
TechnicolorAcid wrote: Tue Jun 18, 2024 10:40 pm
therewillbeblus wrote: Tue Jun 18, 2024 10:30 pm Woah, I had no idea either! Is there a reasonably-priced way to get this stateside? Orbit's copy is $$
If you’re referring to Hellzapoppin, that’s one I’ve been wanting to get too for a while now but it appears that your best bet is to contact them or Diabolik for a restock of their copies otherwise you’d need to import directly from Wicked Vision (which only accepts Euros), Amazon.de, or pay reasonably high prices on EBay.
Quick notice: Got my Hellzapoppin Mediabook from OrbitDVD and as of writing this there’s only 4 copies left.

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2024 7:33 pm
by dwk

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2024 2:28 pm
by yoloswegmaster
Ettore Scola's We All Loved Each Other So Much opens with the CC and Janus logos when played on the Channel.