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Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 4:24 pm
by dwk
Jamelle Bouie posted on Blue Sky that he wrote an essay on Network for Criterion. He didnt say if it was for their website or a physical release.
Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 5:19 pm
by yoloswegmaster
Highly likely it's for a physical release:
yoloswegmaster wrote: Mon Sep 08, 2025 6:38 pm
Also just found a post on Reddit where someone overheard a Criterion employee say that
Network was coming next year.
Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 6:49 pm
by Beloved Aunt
I dearly wish Criterion would nab as many (good) Minnelli films as they can, and release them with copious commentary + other things from Liza and the plentiful Minnelli experts out there. I can't believe they haven't started this yet! I've never even heard of the possibility of Criterion releasing a MInnelli film, for some odd reason. Huh.
Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 7:10 pm
by ryannichols7
dwk wrote: Fri Oct 17, 2025 4:24 pm
Jamelle Bouie posted on Blue Sky that he wrote an essay on
Network for Criterion. He didnt say if it was for their website or a physical release.
it'll be amusing at this point if we see
Network before
Dog Day Afternoon. I know the latter is still fairly unconfirmed as coming to Criterion (just that one @dogsofcriterion instagram post), but since Warner hasn't released it either, or licensed to anyone else...
Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 7:34 pm
by Beloved Aunt
I would also love it if Crit would release a 3-film set "Herbert Ross' Actually Good Films" (not necessarily all of them), containing at the very least The Owl and the Pussycat, Pennies from Heaven, and Boys on the Side (the last w/ a Don Roos commentary) and other stuff of course. Other candidates include but, maybe, not limited to: Goodbye, Mr. Chips and The Seven-Per-Cent Solution.
Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 7:53 pm
by CSM126
I’d settle for Boys on the Side because I love that film but I’m sure that’s a minority opinion around here.
Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 8:16 pm
by Beloved Aunt
I just don't know about Boys on the Side, John Simon loved it but I really know very little about its cultural whatever or any critical reputation outside of John Simon, but if Criterion ere to take any interest in any Ross films I would have to assume they'd be the other two of the three I mentioned--The Owl and the Pussycat is a very charming Streisand film and sort of a 1970s Hollywood version of a (good) Tracy-Hepburn film, so you'd think there's some marketability (and interest from Criterion) there, and it's my semi-vague impression that Pennies from Heaven is getting at least a bit of a broader critical (and popular? to some degree? maybe?) reappraisal, and since it stars Steve Martin I'm pretty sure it always had a bit of a visibility boost, although I think at least in the past a fair bit of that was not actually positive.
Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 10:15 pm
by beamish14
Beloved Aunt wrote: Fri Oct 17, 2025 8:16 pm
I just don't know about
Boys on the Side, John Simon loved it but I really know very little about its cultural whatever or any critical reputation outside of John Simon, but if Criterion ere to take any interest in any Ross films I would have to assume they'd be the other two of the three I mentioned--
The Owl and the Pussycat is a very charming Streisand film and sort of a 1970s Hollywood version of a (good) Tracy-Hepburn film, so you'd think there's some marketability (and interest from Criterion) there, and it's my semi-vague impression that
Pennies from Heaven is getting at least a bit of a broader critical (and popular? to some degree? maybe?) reappraisal, and since it stars Steve Martin I'm pretty sure it always had a bit of a visibility boost, although I think at least in the past a fair bit of that was not actually positive.
Ross was a very underrated director, but
Pennies From Heaven is really a testament to the greatness of Dennis Potter, and it’s unfortunate that many of his greatest works for television are still only available as bootlegs (albeit in broadcast quality, like
Blackeyes and
Tender is the Night).
Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 11:22 pm
by crimlaw
As far as I’m concerned, Herbert Ross did only two films I really, really enjoy:
Play it Again, Sam
and
The Last of Sheila.
Since Allen is in boutique label purgatory, only the later is Criterion worthy. (Well, sort of)

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2025 12:13 am
by Lowry_Sam
Play It Again Sam would be my first choice & I wouldn't put it or The Front completely out of the realm of possibility as Allen didn't direct.
Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2025 12:43 am
by Beloved Aunt
The Front is doo-doo. The Front is poop. A rare stinker and dullard from Ritt.
Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2025 12:55 am
by Lowry_Sam
I would strongly disagree. It might not be the comedy one would expect with Allen & Mostel, but it is one of the few Hollywood films to take on one of Hollywood's biggest sins directly and it's infinitely better than Stanley & Iris, Nuts, The Sound & The Fury or The Black Orchid.
Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2025 12:59 am
by TechnicolorAcid
I should point out that Play It Again, Sam and The Last of Shelia do already have Blu-Rays from Kino so the odds of Criterion snatching them are low to none unfortunately. Plus, The Front does have a region free Blu-Ray from Indicator, for anyone who wants to a good release of that one.
Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2025 1:30 am
by beamish14
Beloved Aunt wrote: Sat Oct 18, 2025 12:43 am
The Front is doo-doo.
The Front is poop. A rare stinker and dullard from Ritt.
I think it’s an immensely powerful work. One of the all-time great final scenes, too. Zero Mostel is excellent as well
Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2025 3:32 am
by Beloved Aunt
beamish14 wrote: Fri Oct 17, 2025 10:15 pm
Ross was a very underrated director
He was really a first-rate director of actors. As Domino said, the "bland as a cereal commercial" side of some of his films is real enough, but something like
The Owl and the Pussycat makes him the top George Cukor-style star-wrangler of his day. It's too bad he didn't hold out for more scripts worthy of his talents, because I think he could have built up a real reputation. (And it's too bad there isn't a longer director's cut of
Pennies from Heaven. Another hour or so of material from the mini-series could have solved what problems it has, I think.)
Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2025 3:45 am
by buckeye
yoloswegmaster wrote: Wed Oct 15, 2025 3:34 pm
January 2026 titles:
The Dead
The Dead is one of those films I really wasn't aware of until later in life. I believe Roger Ebert included it in his 'Great Movies' list. Certainly one of the lesser known John Huston films. First day purchase for me.
Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2025 11:32 pm
by Beloved Aunt
Here's another idea: how about a Robert Benton film or two? I'm thinking most of The Late Show, especially because I think a good restoration might do that film some favors re: the audience, as its one flaw is that its rather weakly/recessively photographed, which esp. since its a pretty understated piece of material, I wonder if it may cause some viewers to underrate it. A new lick of paint can sometimes breathe new life into a film, at least that's what seeing the restored version of Nashville did for me. Of course, there's have to be a restoration of The Late Show, in the first place.
Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2025 12:46 am
by therewillbeblus
Nadine is by far his best film and would very likely gain a cult following if more widely seen
Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2025 1:20 am
by Beloved Aunt
Maybe Criterion could do a Benton noir twofer, leaving out Still of the Night, since I've never heard of it having fans! & would Twilight be a good fit for the label? It has a more mixed rep.
Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2025 1:21 am
by therewillbeblus
It’s terrible
Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2025 1:28 am
by Beloved Aunt
I wonder if Benton's passing has stirred additional interest up in his work? I'm guessing not though, he's about as low-profile as a multiple Oscar winner from the 1970s-80s can be, at least online
Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2025 2:43 am
by Tuco
BAD COMPANY, a great revisionist Western from 1972, is available on blu from Fun City Editions (off-topic - perhaps a re-branding is in order?). His first feature, and quite good.
Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2025 3:57 am
by beamish14
Nobody’s Fool is stunning. Beautiful adaptation of Richard Russo’s wonderful novel
Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2025 8:39 pm
by Buttery Jeb
A new 35th Anniversary restoration of Barbara Kopple's American Dream has been supervised by Janus Films and The Criterion Collection, and will be screened as part of the lead-up for next year's Sundance Film Festival (as part of a farewell celebration for the Festival's last year in Park City). Criterion's new restoration of House Party will also be screened as part of the series.
Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2025 10:57 pm
by CSM126
Good to hear that more Kopple is finally coming. A Blu upgrade of Harlan County would be nice, too.