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Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:15 pm
by Finch
Thanks, all. So no reason to panic (yet).

Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 7:18 am
by swo17
Is there any information out there about the five early Super 8 shorts included in the Arthur J. Bressan, Jr. double feature? There's nothing mentioned about them in the booklet accompanying the release or on the disc. I imagine they were made sometime in the late '60s. If it provides any clues, the runtimes are 3 min, 7.5 min, 7 min, 2.5 min, and 6.5 min. These would appeal to a more general audience of experimental film. I found the fifth one in particular quite striking

Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 1:26 pm
by ianthemovie
swo17 wrote: Fri Jul 08, 2022 7:18 am Is there any information out there about the five early Super 8 shorts included in the Arthur J. Bressan, Jr. double feature? There's nothing mentioned about them in the booklet accompanying the release or on the disc. I imagine they were made sometime in the late '60s. If it provides any clues, the runtimes are 3 min, 7.5 min, 7 min, 2.5 min, and 6.5 min. These would appeal to a more general audience of experimental film. I found the fifth one in particular quite striking
I haven't picked up this set yet, but I'm guessing if anyone would know anything about the shorts it would be Liz Purchell since she helped produce the special features for the disc and her knowledge of these filmmakers is encyclopedic. She's active on Twitter so maybe she'd be responsive if you reached out to her.

Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 1:38 pm
by swo17
Thanks for the tip!

Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2022 10:10 pm
by zedz
Were we warned that the outer slipcase for the Doris Wishman set is magnetic? Front cover only. I can stick it to my fridge so I can read the list of titles on the back, but not so I can look at the cover while I snack. Unfortunately, the BluRay player in my fridge does not seem to be working.

Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2022 10:19 pm
by swo17
It was advertised as a "special limited edition spot gloss magnetized slipcase & slipcover set" but I'm confused--aren't the magnets on the back? I noticed the four big bumps there, on the same side as the list of titles, though admittedly I have not yet attempted to stick the box to my refrigerator

Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2022 10:36 pm
by therewillbeblus
I just assumed they were gonna throw in a free mini-fridge as an eater egg extra. I guess that was just wishman thinking

Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2022 10:38 pm
by zedz
swo17 wrote: Wed Jul 13, 2022 10:19 pm It was advertised as a "special limited edition spot gloss magnetized slipcase & slipcover set" but I'm confused--aren't the magnets on the back? I noticed the four big bumps there, on the same side as the list of titles, though admittedly I have not yet attempted to stick the box to my refrigerator
There are indeed four big bumps on the back, but they don't seem to be magnetic. The front of the case nearly flew across the room to kiss the fridge, however.

Maybe this is a southern hemisphere thing.

I am breathlessly awaiting your report back from the fridge.

Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2022 10:44 pm
by Glowingwabbit
The magnets are so all three volumes can stick together. Even though this one came out first, it's the Twilight Years so presumably it would go at the end of the sets.

Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2022 11:03 pm
by CSM126
Trying to imagine a scenario where I would say “man I wish these box sets would stick to each other so it’s more annoying to take one off the shelf”

Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 3:33 am
by swo17
zedz wrote: Wed Jul 13, 2022 10:38 pm I am breathlessly awaiting your report back from the fridge.
Who can say how magnets work, but apparently it's the same in both hemispheres:

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Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2022 10:38 pm
by bamwc2
therewillbeblus wrote: Fri Jun 10, 2022 5:32 pm It’s not gonna be for everyone, but Final Flesh is such shoddy surrealist trash that it becomes art. Mileage will vary, but if you have a tolerant palette for deeply irreverent humor combined with bad acting mirroring for deadpan delivery to heighten shock value, here you go. If this was just random for random sake a la Family Guy, I’d hate it, but it’s more focally driven around antisocial comedy- the kind that queasily inverts expectations from human behavior in mannerisms and logic- and that worked for me. Unfortunately the extras are sparse, but I’ll be picking this up. Now everyone who watches this can freely judge me!
I just saw this and can't decide if it's a brilliant work of art or a gross violation of privacy akin to posting non-consensual nudes online. So, Chatman made the film by paying independent porn producers for personalized content that I can only assume they thought was going to be privately consumed by the person paying for the video (the whole point was that none of them were in on the joke, and believed that they were making it for a fetishist). I can't speak for any of the filmmakers, but I doubt that they wanted these tapes to be publicly released without their consent/further compensation. Does anyone know if Chapman got their blessing to use their work in his film? If not, then I find it to be a deeply immoral thing to have done despite the hilarity of the end result. I tried to find the answer to this online, but couldn't. Does anyone know?

Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2022 11:00 pm
by domino harvey
No doubt they signed something if it’s being widely distributed. Surely there are more pressing things to feel bad about

Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2022 11:56 pm
by bamwc2
domino harvey wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 11:00 pm No doubt they signed something if it’s being widely distributed. Surely there are more pressing things to feel bad about
Thanks, Domino, but I'll never run out of things to feel bad about.

Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:59 am
by Adam X
The description on VS’s website says each quarter of the script was sent to four separate producers of custom videos, but there’s nothing there to suggest those involved didn’t know what the content was being used for.
Unless the extras say otherwise.

Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:26 am
by swo17
If this is an indication of anything, the release includes a kind of blooper reel

Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2022 9:16 am
by L.A.

Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2022 7:11 pm
by bamwc2
Adam X wrote: Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:59 am The description on VS’s website says each quarter of the script was sent to four separate producers of custom videos, but there’s nothing there to suggest those involved didn’t know what the content was being used for.
Unless the extras say otherwise.
I read a synopsis (on KG?) that said the actors had no idea that said they were not aware they were part of an art film, but rather that they were making a genuine fetish video.

Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2022 8:16 pm
by zedz
swo17 wrote: Thu Jul 14, 2022 3:33 am
zedz wrote: Wed Jul 13, 2022 10:38 pm I am breathlessly awaiting your report back from the fridge.
Who can say how magnets work, but apparently it's the same in both hemispheres:

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Thank you swo17, the Man with the Leatherette Fridge.

Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2022 10:44 pm
by swo17
Been bracing myself all week for the fridge remarks but it still stings

Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2022 10:23 pm
by Finch
My copy of Ilya Muromets was shipped by importcds today. Hopefully everyone else's copies are on their way to you too.

Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2022 11:30 pm
by therewillbeblus
I got mine from VS direct, but watched it the other week and enjoyed it as a fun comfort movie. The original non-Corman cut is definitely in no way MST3K-worthy, not even in a 'good'-bad way.

I also watched Don't Let the Angels Fall, and it was a lot stranger than I expected. The film takes a novel nonmetrical approach to its material, implementing uneven tonal information to murkier spaces than usual, as there are no sturdy thematic ideas to guide us despite the obvious melodrama-touchstones on alienation, which are really just the tip of the iceberg. The entire film functions like a scattered memory, but its subject isn't constant either so there isn't a clear focal point of character or thematic purpose of examination remaining constant. The film is in part about the erosion of a mezzo family system, but also the macro socio-political culture drowning out our agency to act with tangibility, and the micro-psyches of the isolated individuals in the family unit coping with their own nebulous troubles.

Everything is portrayed so irregularly and without definition or catharsis outside of brief transient sober moments, that I'm not sure what to make of it, but such a strategy feels humbly appropriate to the disorientation of these principals lost astray. I got the sense that the themes we're getting are just projections for these people to latch onto something palpable when they're just lost to themselves, and so it feels appropriate for our vicarious schematic information to be so arrhythmic and disjointed. There are scenes that highlight prisons of banality but also ones that soar us into the clouds of our own past significant intimate relations, ones that are impermanent and belong to cherished memories. These come through strongest in the early vacations with Sharon Acker, who is just incredible, coming across as an authentic person rather than a part in these sequences- moreso than an actress has in as long as I can remember.

I'll be picking the disc up for the shorts, but also because I think multiple viewings will yield richer rewards. It took me a day to even be able to grasp what I took away from it, and that feels like a strength. I hope to be more convinced on a revisit.

Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2022 12:19 pm
by swo17
yoloswegmaster wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2022 4:16 pmAir Doll (Dekanalog)
I started watching this but noticed a glitch in the image at about the 10:40 mark. (The Criterion Channel stream, which also has Dekanalog branding) has the same issue. I mean, I guess there being a glitch in the matrix around here would make sense, but I doubt the effect was intentional

Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:09 pm
by domino harvey
You’re not supposed to take it out of its packaging! Now it’s worthless

Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2022 11:15 pm
by Glowingwabbit
I haven't gotten a chance to dive into the set, but the booklet for Righting Wrongs is incredibly difficult to read. The text looks very faded against the different colored backgrounds of yellow, pink, and blue. It almost looks like they used different shades of the same color, one for the text and one for the background. I really don't understand how someone thought that was a good idea. Just keep it simple.