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Posted: **Wed May 01, 2019 5:32 am**

I also thought of when we were Kings first, but immediately discarded it since the drawing is not if foreman and Ali.

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2019 5:34 am**

I notice the stars on the crowns are different. I don't know how that helps.
Wenders and Coppola might equal Hammett.

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2019 5:39 am**

Could this mind **** be a subtle clue to a forthcoming Inland Empire release in that nobody matters

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2019 5:45 am**

Lemdog wrote: Wed May 01, 2019 5:34 am I notice the stars on the crowns are different. I don't know how that helps.
Wenders and Coppola might equal Hammett.

It doesn't look like Wenders though. And he never wore a hat as well.

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2019 6:12 am**

I am probably way, way off but that guy in the hat looks like Chip Kidd, a famous book designer.…

Chip Kidd Coppola?… Maybe some homophone, anagram?

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2019 7:16 am**

How about Marie Antoinette?

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2019 7:32 am**

Is there some obscure film called It's the Thought That Counts that I'm not aware of, 'cause that would be perfect.

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2019 2:30 pm**

After further research, I think a Leon Gast box set of When We Were Kings and The Grateful Dead Movie is the only thing that comes closest to making any sense (despite that hair being much too tame for Jerry Garcia, and Leon Gast not being an instantly recognizable celebrity), but I'm not real happy about it, and really hope that someone here has a eureka! moment

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2019 2:42 pm**

But Garcia was the clue for Dead Man, and look how different he looked there. Seems wrong imo

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2019 3:04 pm**

I think we need to keep in mind that typically when a famous person is represented in these clues, it's not because they're involved in the movie but because their name is, or a pun involving their name is (Clooney Brown, Notorious BIG, Dead Man, Tom Jones). So if we could positively identify the two men, it would most likely be a pun involving their names combined+thinking/dreaming+crowns/kings that would reveal the answer.

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2019 3:12 pm**

Coppola on a bench totally conjures up THE CONVERSATION. However, neither man is conversing so I can't really stick to that landing.

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2019 3:17 pm**

Napoleon?

Coppola NAPping -> Francis/France's monarch -> LEON (Gast? or some other Leon?)

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2019 3:23 pm**

omg stop saying it's Leon Gast. He's a recognizable figure to, what, maybe 500-1000 people in the world? How many of us DIDN'T have to Google image search him? And it doesn't even look that much like him. I don't see one photo of him in a hat.

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2019 5:29 pm**

I've seen it suggested that the Coppola figure on the bench is actually Ali, from ALI: FEAR EATS THE SOUL, which kind of makes sense in the WHEN WE WERE KINGS way...

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2019 5:30 pm**

Roscoe wrote: Wed May 01, 2019 5:29 pm I've seen it suggested that the Coppola figure on the bench is actually Ali, from ALI: FEAR EATS THE SOUL, which kind of makes sense in the WHEN WE WERE KINGS way...

I don't remember him wearing glasses though?

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2019 5:40 pm**

If that is a different “Ali” who could the alternate “Foreman” be? I’m convinced that’s the film in all but the characters drawn and that seems like the key here

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2019 6:05 pm**

MongooseCmr wrote: Wed May 01, 2019 5:40 pm If that is a different “Ali” who could the alternate “Foreman” be? I’m convinced that’s the film in all but the characters drawn and that seems like the key here

Milos Forman. But I agree, Ali didn't wear glasses in the movie.

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2019 6:07 pm**

My Ali suggestion on the last page was only semi-serious, and if he definitely didn't wear glasses in the film (as I said, I don't remember), then I disavow it wholly.

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2019 6:15 pm**

Jgh8xxx wrote:I have to say this seems, to me, to so obviously be WHEN WE WERE KINGS that I am shocked about how much debate it has inspired.

Q. What's the only thing different about the men in the two depictions?

A. In one depiction, they are wearing crowns. ie. they are kings. And they're having a memory of being kings, at that.

And we are talking about an Oscar-winning, Sundance, LAFCA, Critics Choice, NYFCC, NSFC, Cinema Eye and Spirit Award-winning documentary here.

And oh, hey look! Its rights were most recently with Gramercy Pictures, just like...

BEFORE THE RAIN
KING OF THE HILL
LA HAINE
THE LAST DAYS OF DISCO
SHALLOW GRAVE

I think we can move along here folks...

I also thought this was an open and shut case of When We Were Kings and nothing posted after has been nearly as compelling.

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2019 6:15 pm**

locustsinthesky wrote:I think we need to keep in mind that typically when a famous person is represented in these clues, it's not because they're involved in the movie but because their name is, or a pun involving their name is (Clooney Brown, Notorious BIG, Dead Man, Tom Jones). So if we could positively identify the two men, it would most likely be a pun involving their names combined+thinking/dreaming+crowns/kings that would reveal the answer.

So we have “Coppola guys” = “Couple of guys”

Couple of dreams?

Couple of Kings?

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2019 6:19 pm**

On the Napoleon front, did Coppola’s father who did the score for Napoleon look like the guy on the left?

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2019 6:22 pm**

Not in the slightest:

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2019 7:42 pm**

domino harvey wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:26 pm And just to restate swo’s question, which everyone should be asking before making guesses: is this what you’d draw to clue that?

This is my guiding principle for assessing any of my guesses.

I am totally stumped on this one, which I suspect will have us all slapping our foreheads in a few months time when it is revealed.

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2019 8:34 pm**

dda1996a wrote: Wed May 01, 2019 2:42 pm But Garcia was the clue for Dead Man, and look how different he looked there. Seems wrong imo

Yes, but this is much closer to how he looks in the doc.

I'll add to the crazy, and say that the leather jacket is for the Hell's Angel doc, and the hat is similar to one Desi Arnez would wear, who is featured in Gast's Salsa documentary. Also, in between those two docs was one on BB King.

Edit: I'll go even further into the void. It'll be his first 8 documentaries (His 8 pointed star) ending with When We Were Kings. The Grateful Dead doc was his 5th (Jerry Garcia's 5 pointed star).

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2019 8:50 pm**

Finally, the cinephile community can stop clamoring for the much-anticipated Leon Gast box set.

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