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The 4K restoration of Nights of Cabiria looks fantastic in this trailer for the upcoming screening at Film Forum. Japanese Blu-Ray was utter garbage to be honest, so I'm super excited for this. Criterion will use the same master, right?

Got a little emotional seeing and hearing it look that good.

What are the films expected in this Fellini box?

John Shade wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:48 pm What are the films expected in this Fellini box?

Hopefully, it's all of them, although I don't know the particulars regarding licensing. If Criterion was able to fit nearly forty features into the Bergman box set, it should be able to accommodate the twenty or so features that are considered part of Fellini's directorial canon. Again, licensing could be the one factor preventing this approach.

Is it a strong possibility Toby Dammit will be part of the set by itself? I can see it being a special feature

Roger Ryan wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2020 7:56 pm

John Shade wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:48 pm What are the films expected in this Fellini box?

Hopefully, it's all of them, although I don't know the particulars regarding licensing. If Criterion was able to fit nearly forty features into the Bergman box set, it should be able to accommodate the twenty or so features that are considered part of Fellini's directorial canon. Again, licensing could be the one factor preventing this approach.

black&huge wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2020 8:22 pm Is it a strong possibility Toby Dammit will be part of the set by itself? I can see it being a special feature

And what about the others short films?

"Un Agenzia Matrimoniale" from "L' Amore in Citta"
"Le Tentazioni del Dottor Antonio" from "Boccaccio '70"

Maybe they could be included all together in a single disc, without the episodes of other directors?

Is the Fellini box a certainty this year?

It was one of only four clues in this year's New Years wacky drawing sans wackiness, so if one of them did not come into fruition that would be pretty sad

I’m guessing

Bruce Lee set in June
Varda set in July
Wong Kar Wai set in October
Fellini set in November

Nov/Dec is a good bet for the Fellini, considering it should be prime baby boomer (and others, but they have money) Christmas gift fodder. It's always possible that it gets delayed because a restoration that isn't finished on time (possibly aggravated by coronavirus), but considering it's his centennial, I expect they'll do their best to get it out (and would anyone be that upset if it didn't include a new restoration of Variety Lights?).

As for films, Bergman had the advantage of most of his work being under a single rights holder. The Fellini films are more split up; I expect that we'll get everything that Criterion has previously released, plus Il Bidone and Toby Dammit (either alone or with Spirits of the Dead), which are both up on the Criterion Channel. They seem to have worked out something with Studio Canal, so that'll include White Sheik, Nights of Cabiria, and Variety Lights. But I have no idea who controls most of the post-Amarcord work in the US (Clowns, Casanova, City of Women, Ginger and Fred, Orchestra Rehearsal, Intervista, Voice of the Moon).

I'll probably just buy individuals of Juliet of the Spirits and I Vitelloni tbh unless the set is an insane price and comprehensive, hopefully Criterion doles those out like they have been with the Bergman

therewillbeblus wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:39 pm I'll probably just buy individuals of Juliet of the Spirits and I Vitelloni tbh unless the set is an insane price and comprehensive, hopefully Criterion doles those out like they have been with the Bergman

Unless the pre-existing BD titles get a noticeable upgrade in the box set, I'll probably settle for individual titles too: The White Sheik, I Vitelloni, and I'm hoping Nights of Cabiria if it isn't the horrendous master used for the Studio Canal BD.

Shrew wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:24 pm But I have no idea who controls most of the post-Amarcord work in the US (Clowns, Casanova, City of Women, Ginger and Fred, Orchestra Rehearsal, Intervista, Voice of the Moon).

CLOWNS - Released on blu-ray through Raro Video (aka Kino Lorber)
CITY OF WOMEN - Released on blu-ray through Cohen
ORCHESTRA REHEARSAL - Released on blu-ray through Arrow
THE VOICE OF THE MOON - Released on blu-ray through Arrow

CASANOVA - IMDB listed the rights as last being attributed in 2011 to Universal
GINGER AND FRED - IMDB listed the rights as last being attributed in 2007 to Warner
INTERVISTA - IMDB listed the rights as last being attributed in 1992 to Castle Hill Productions

hearthesilence wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:42 pm

therewillbeblus wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:39 pm I'll probably just buy individuals of Juliet of the Spirits and I Vitelloni tbh unless the set is an insane price and comprehensive, hopefully Criterion doles those out like they have been with the Bergman

Unless the pre-existing BD titles get a noticeable upgrade in the box set, I'll probably settle for individual titles too: The White Sheik, I Vitelloni, and I'm hoping Nights of Cabiria if it isn't the horrendous master used for the Studio Canal BD.

If this set ends up being mostly comprehensive, I imagine it will be priced at a $199.99 MSRP, making it preferable to the standalone option as long as you want at least 5 of the titles. As for me, I've already half-financed this thing by selling off my OOP Nights of Cabiria DVD

If I didn't already own La Dolce Vita, Amarcord, and 8 1/2 I'd jump on it. But yeah, if it includes everything, it'll be worth having a few of those other 50s works for rare occasions

criterionoop wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:22 pm CLOWNS - Released on blu-ray through Raro Video (aka Kino Lorber)
CITY OF WOMEN - Released on blu-ray through Cohen
ORCHESTRA REHEARSAL - Released on blu-ray through Arrow
THE VOICE OF THE MOON - Released on blu-ray through Arrow

CASANOVA - IMDB listed the rights as last being attributed in 2011 to Universal
GINGER AND FRED - IMDB listed the rights as last being attributed in 2007 to Warner
INTERVISTA - IMDB listed the rights as last being attributed in 1992 to Castle Hill Productions

Thanks for the detective work. I'd erroneously thought the Arrows were UK only. That means probably none of the first group (and probably not Love in the City [with Raro] or Boccaccio 70 [with Kino], though Criterion might cut a deal to get only the Fellini segments). But the second group might be maybe?

I'm quite fond of Casanova and I cannot imagine Universal saying no to Criterion. It's a really beautiful film. I can't wait for more people to see it.

As am I and on top of already loving a number of Fellini films to justify owning a nice big box set the possible inclusion of Casanova would be one of the biggest selling points for me

criterionoop wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:22 pm

Shrew wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:24 pm But I have no idea who controls most of the post-Amarcord work in the US (Clowns, Casanova, City of Women, Ginger and Fred, Orchestra Rehearsal, Intervista, Voice of the Moon).

CLOWNS - Released on blu-ray through Raro Video (aka Kino Lorber)
CITY OF WOMEN - Released on blu-ray through Cohen
ORCHESTRA REHEARSAL - Released on blu-ray through Arrow
THE VOICE OF THE MOON - Released on blu-ray through Arrow

CASANOVA - IMDB listed the rights as last being attributed in 2011 to Universal
GINGER AND FRED - IMDB listed the rights as last being attributed in 2007 to Warner
INTERVISTA - IMDB listed the rights as last being attributed in 1992 to Castle Hill Productions

LOVE IN THE CITY - released by Raro
BOCCACCIO '70 - released by Kino Lorber

So it seems these titles have a chance to be included:

Variety Lights (co-director) - #81 DVD only / OOP
The White Sheik - #189 DVD only / OOP
I vitelloni - #246 DVD only
La strada - #219 DVD only
Il bidone
Nights of Cabiria - #49 DVD only / OOP
La dolce vita - #733 DVD/Blu-ray
8 1/2 - #140 DVD/Blu-ray
Juliet of the Spirits - #149 DVD only
Spirts of the Dead / "Histoires extraordinaires" (segment)
Fellini: A Director's Notebook - available as a special feature on 8 1/2
Satyricon - #747 DVD/Blu-ray
Roma - #848 DVD/Blu-ray
Amarcord - #4 DVD/Blu-ray
Casanova
And the Ship Sails On - #50 DVD only
Ginger and Fred
Intervista

Il Bidone and Spirits of the Dead start with Criterion Collection and Janus Films logo on Criterion Channel.

I expect seeing as they seem to have played along with The Serpent’s Egg last year that the two Arrow titles will also find their way into Criterion’s set. Not sure that Kino or Cohen would play so nice.

It's up to Raro for CLOWNS, not Kino since they only distribute. They had a relationship with Criterion at one point as they licensed IL GENERALE DELLA ROVERE (through Minerva Pictures) to them, but their own release made Criterion go OOP.

I would strongly bet Criterion makes deals with all the American labels they can to get as close to complete as they can

domino harvey wrote: Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:28 am I would strongly bet Criterion makes deals with all the American labels they can to get as close to complete as they can

Let's hope so. If any of the labels also have Bergman's Prison (The Devil's Wanton), then things might be tricky, as that is a glaring omission in that wonderful box set, and one Criterion would have exhausted all efforts to include.

Criterion could use the illustrations of Milo Manara for the Boxset.