Mr. Bongo Films

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Re: Mr. Bongo Films

#401 Post by MichaelB » Sun Apr 12, 2015 1:29 pm

kekid wrote:Any information as to whether Falstaff will have English subtitles? The past releases had very unclear sound, hence subtitles are essential for this film.
I'd assume no subtitles unless explicitly confirmed.

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#402 Post by Roger Ryan » Mon Apr 13, 2015 9:11 am

Calvin wrote:Thanks for that detail Roger Ryan. It sounds like an ideal release of The Stranger would be an HD scan of the MGM print with the Library of Congress ending.
Actually, I suspect the MGM print may be another generation down from the Library of Congress print, although it's difficult to tell just looking at the extant DVD. For me, the ideal release would be a digitally repaired (removing scratches and speckles) Library of Congress print with the missing footage inserted from the MGM print. Safe to say, the Mr. Bongo release will not be doing this!

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#403 Post by GaryC » Tue Apr 14, 2015 12:07 pm

Chimes at Midnight will be getting a UK cinema reissue via Mr Bongo on 1 May. The running time as passed by the BBFC is 116:09.

The only time I've seen this film before now was the last time it was shown on British television - as part of the Welles retrospective BBC2 put on in late 1985 following Welles's death.

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#406 Post by rapta » Fri May 08, 2015 9:48 pm

Latest word is that The Stranger has been cancelled for some reason. Will report back when we hear more as to why...my guess is an unsuitable master.

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#408 Post by tenia » Fri May 22, 2015 7:41 am

Unfortunately for Bongo, Buttle is essentially telling us not to buy the individual UK releases but to wait for the box set which will contain extras.
He also tell us not to buy Immortal Story but wait for a BD to be released from a brand new HD master.

Weird sales technique, IMO.

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#409 Post by rapta » Mon May 25, 2015 5:42 pm

Yep, very odd. Cancelled Falstaff for the time being, and will only get it if the box set idea is scrapped (for whatever reason).

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#410 Post by Calvin » Wed Jun 17, 2015 10:25 am

Blu-Ray releases of Fellini's Casanova, The Saragossa Manuscript and The Hourglass Sanatorium on September 7th

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#411 Post by What A Disgrace » Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:27 am

Okay, I'm actually going to buy a Mr Bongo release. I refuse to miss out on those two Wojech Has films.

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#412 Post by ellipsis7 » Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:36 am

CASANOVA should be a port in of the rather nice HD transfer of the recent restoration used by Carlotta on their BR, and hopefully similarly will include Italian & English release versions of the soundtrack...

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#413 Post by Drucker » Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:44 am

What A Disgrace wrote:Okay, I'm actually going to buy a Mr Bongo release. I refuse to miss out on those two Wojech Has films.
Saragossa Manuscript available in a region-free edition from Zebra.

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#414 Post by sir_luke » Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:34 pm

So is The Hourglass Sanatorium

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Mr Bongo Chimes at Midnight

#415 Post by david hare » Thu Jun 25, 2015 6:51 am

Advance warning. Based on 24 caps from the disc I've just seen, and without yet seeing the disc itself in motion, the encode seems to have been mastered with practically zero black level and a narrow dynamic range so thin that every grab looks literally bleached. It looks like complete shit.

I have no idea what they've don't with this but will confirm something more concrete when I can view the disc in motion in a day or two.

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Re: Mr Bongo Chimes at Midnight

#416 Post by FrauBlucher » Thu Jun 25, 2015 7:35 am

Ugh, all the more reason to wait out Criterion's release next year.

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#417 Post by tenia » Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:15 pm

I just had a look at some screen caps and it is awful. It's like the brightness settings has been set up 20 points too high.
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Re: Mr. Bongo Films

#418 Post by Roger Ryan » Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:24 pm

The restoration done by Filmoteca Española that is making the rounds on DCP this year has weak black levels as well. I was under the impression they were working with less-than-ideal elements. Viewing the Mr. Bongo trailer for CHIMES, the image looks about the same* as the DCP I saw screened twice in the past two months. Do the screen caps you've seen look worse?

*Apart from the fact that the trailer on YouTube is stretched horizontally which was not a problem with the DCP.

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#419 Post by david hare » Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:50 pm

This doesn't look like a film problem so much as a mastering problem. Some idiot has dialled black level right down or used computer parameters instead of BD.709 color temp. They need to pull the discs and remaster. It also doesn't help they've mastered it with lower end bitrate (23 mbPs .) In skilled hand that needn't be a problem but Bongo is not over burdened with skilled hands - they need minimum 29 mbPs.

If the restoration for DCP used for instance a 35mm print of comparable quality for the primary source as the French DVD it should look nothing like this. Even Robert Harris is aware of more than one high quality 35mm element. There was no need for serious compromise on the restoration.

I have been putting out alerts here and thee.

EDIT: Roger the trailer also has no true black (viz the opening profile shot of Gielgud with dark gray crevice in the background) but it also manages to crush gray shadow detail. So it's probably unreliable.

Here's Gielgud (compressed from 1080) from the BD:

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Anyway it has the same UNDERLYING limitatons but not as drastically bad. Something like this can surely be adjusted with grading in the disc mastering stage surely?

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#420 Post by Drucker » Thu Jun 25, 2015 4:13 pm

Does anyone else have the Mr. Bongo DVD of this film, from a few years ago? Honestly, the grading/color temperature (apologies for not using right terms) didn't seem drastically different than the Spanish restoration shown at Film Forum.

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Re: Mr. Bongo Films

#421 Post by david hare » Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:14 pm

Here's the Spanish Suevia DVD - doesn't bear any comment, prone to every problem known to the DVD format, haloing, compression, crush, the lot:

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Here's the Canal in too tight 1.85 AR and unsqueezed. Obviously superior, appears to have been manipulated slightly to bring up black levels and contrast but obviously form a good print source. At least there's some contrast, depth and shadow detail:

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#422 Post by The Fanciful Norwegian » Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:19 pm

There are details on the Spanish restoration here. They worked from the original negative and based the grading of the English version on "the grading instructions of the print presented at Cannes in 1966," plus some post-Cannes changes that Welles made at some point or another in a print at the Swedish Film Institute. If this is really what the DCP looks like then I don't know what to think, since the restoration team seems to have done their due diligence—but I can't imagine the screen caps I've seen of the Bongo disc reflect what Welles had in mind.

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Re: Mr. Bongo Films

#423 Post by david hare » Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:41 pm

They don't reflect what I SAW in 1967.

I'll have the disc today I can comment further then but I don't hold much hope. I don'[t believe any credible restoration outfit like Bologna or Cinemateca Espagnola would ever allow anything so obviously drained of black level out of the bag. It would not be professionally competent, surely.

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#424 Post by Cremildo » Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:14 pm

david hare wrote:They don't reflect what I SAW in 1967.
Like hell you can remember such detail from a screening nearly half a century ago. :roll:

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#425 Post by david hare » Fri Jun 26, 2015 12:16 am

Die from envy bitch! Some of us have minds (and claws) like a steel trap.

While the Welles was playing in Sydney opening, the cinema next door was playing Blow Up which had the benefit of a savvy projectionist who would rake the mask down to 1.66 from 1.85 for Vanessa's tits sequence at the daytime screenings.) I remember both films and the beautiful values of the prints like yesterday (down tot he censor cuts in the Antonioni.) My life is now so empty I fill it remembering rubbish like this. (Not true :lol: )

I've started to watch this travesty and it's unbearable. If it looks like anything its the hideous old Suevia DVD. Here are a few strange things: Not only the film but the whole presentation down to the opening restoration logo for the Filmoteca Espagnola (my bad for previous misspelling) looks like somebody made a video recording, and then scanned that from a screening of a faded and pale, soft print in an overlit theatre. The opening sequences are fairly "dirty" for a restoration, with no shortage of emulsion nicks and minor damage but we can all live with that. But the quality of the transfer itself seems (you can't judge the source 4K from this garbage) to just improve technically with slightly more consistency and clean film quality, but it is actually wearing you down into thinking it might be almost acceptable.

It isn't. Nobody should be asked to pay money for this. It's one of the worst, sloppiest transfers I've ever seen of a major title - no ANY title - and the treatment it receives here gives you no idea of how or what the 4K might or should look like. IF you projected this quality onto a cinema screen people would storm the theatre asking for their money back. This if Facets territory at rock bottom on Blu Ray. I am assuming Bongo did/do their own mastering - no reputable Post House would let work of this quality out in the open air.

Bongo just cannot get it right, they really should get out of the business.
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