Criterion and Paramount
- justeleblanc
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I imagine any Paramount deal would also include Real Life.
- Roscoe
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I'd be on board for Criterions of von Stroheim, damn right. There's a new restoration of FOOLISH WIVES that I can't wait to check out.
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Paramount only owns The Wedding March - Foolish Wives was a MoMA restoration, Queen Kelly is owned by Kino
- captveg
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With The Furies getting a Blu-ray upgrade that just leaves White Dog as the lone DVD-only Paramount licensed release.
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- Dot Com Dom
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Just so we keep discussion confined to one thread, multiple Paramount titles have gone OOP out of nowhere. We are discussing this over here for now. Please do not use this thread to discuss the OOP titles
- Matt
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I was really hoping we’d get a Criterion edition of A Place in the Sun someday. I refuse to settle for that gray-on-gray Imprint release.
- Finch
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I emailed Jon Mulvaney specifically about the Sternberg silents and The Furies, and got a reply from Justin at Criterion:
While we do not typically disclose titles that are going out of print in advance, I can assure you that there are no additional titles in our catalog that are going OOP in the near future. That said, if there are titles you've had an eye on for your next purchases, it's always a good idea to purchase it sooner than later, since we do not announce upcoming OOP or packaging changes.
- Ribs
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The forthcoming release of The Piano further complicates the question of Criterion's relationship with Paramount. Seems really weird for them to be pulling some licenses altogether while entering new agreements in new formats for their catalog. (Though it's cool to know Miramax is on the table from them, properly).
- captveg
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Might be that Paramount is willing to license titles from the Miramax library but not their own, similar to how they've treated the Republic library holdings over the years.
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That's more than likely possible.Might be that Paramount is willing to license titles from the Miramax library but not their own, similar to how they've treated the Republic library holdings over the years.
But if THE PIANO is coming from Paramount (I've admittedly always been confused around the Miramax titles that were distributed initially by C/FP in Canada, though I see it had the Miramax branding under Lionsgate) I wouldn't doubt Paramount is still open to licensing out titles, but probably only for titles they see having limited appeal. That is what they did initially with Criterion, Days of Heaven being the outlier in that it was the only early title with a previous DVD release if I recall correctly (and the Blu-ray indicates the license is "non-exclusive," suggesting Paramount was hesitant on that one at first).
- Ribs
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Obviously the question then becomes if, like, Tarantino counts as "we're keeping that" level from the studio. I, for one, and likely only for one, would love a UHD release of Shakespeare in Love, one of the best movies to ever win the Oscar. But I don't see Criterion being that willing to go into a rehabilitation project for a movie as roundly despised by filmic circles as that one.
- therewillbeblus
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I like Shakespeare in Love, as do at least a few others here! There are so many great Paramount titles left to release on blu in the states though, Paper Moon, Starting Over, and Hail the Conquering Hero! being a few of the most glaring
- jazzo
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- Shrew
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I think Hail the Conquering Hero is with Universal, while Miracle of Morgan's Creek is with Paramount. (Both would be nice one day)
- The Fanciful Norwegian
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See also Disney's odd willingness to license titles from the ABC Pictures catalog (Straw Dogs, Notorious, Rebecca, The Touch, Indiscretion of an American Wife), which is all the more striking given that Disney is otherwise the most licensing-averse studio out there.
MOC's Paper Moon is supposedly going OOP at the end of this year, so I'm guessing that's one of the titles Paramount has decided to keep in-house despite their record of neglect. (Of course the alternative possibility is that Eureka's license is expiring and Criterion is getting the UK rights instead, but I feel that's less likely.)therewillbeblus wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 2:07 pmI like Shakespeare in Love, as do at least a few others here! There are so many great Paramount titles left to release on blu in the states though, Paper Moon, Starting Over, and Hail the Conquering Hero! being a few of the most glaring
- The Elegant Dandy Fop
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Hasn't Kino licensed a bunch of Hollywood Pictures and Touchtone Pictures titles? It doesn't seem like they're completely averse. I am still sort of surprised to think that Disney also licensed titles like Condorman to Anchor Bay back in the day.The Fanciful Norwegian wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:55 pmSee also Disney's odd willingness to license titles from the ABC Pictures catalog (Straw Dogs, Notorious, Rebecca, The Touch, Indiscretion of an American Wife), which is all the more striking given that Disney is otherwise the most licensing-averse studio out there.
- The Fanciful Norwegian
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You're right, I forgot about those. Those aforementioned Anchor Bay titles (The Black Hole was the big one) are the last time I think they licensed anything released under the main Disney brand.The Elegant Dandy Fop wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:35 pmHasn't Kino licensed a bunch of Hollywood Pictures and Touchtone Pictures titles? It doesn't seem like they're completely averse. I am still sort of surprised to think that Disney also licensed titles like Condorman to Anchor Bay back in the day.
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The Elegant Dandy Fop wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:35 pmHasn't Kino licensed a bunch of Hollywood Pictures and Touchtone Pictures titles? It doesn't seem like they're completely averse. I am still sort of surprised to think that Disney also licensed titles like Condorman to Anchor Bay back in the day.The Fanciful Norwegian wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:55 pmSee also Disney's odd willingness to license titles from the ABC Pictures catalog (Straw Dogs, Notorious, Rebecca, The Touch, Indiscretion of an American Wife), which is all the more striking given that Disney is otherwise the most licensing-averse studio out there.
Disney is known to be controlling when it comes to titles they license out. I recall that Anchor Bay wasn't allowed to include a prologue from The Watcher in the Woods that played during its initial theatrical release, although they were given access to its alternate endings.
It's such a shame that a studio known to be so unbelievably meticulous with its preservation and archival work just won't release a lot of material, particularly from films made during Ron Miller's tenure as its head (e.g. shorts like Fun with Mr. Future, Jack Clayton's original cut of Something Wicked This Way Comes, the unedited version of The Black Cauldron, etc.). Never Cry Wolf, one of the most beautiful and brilliant films to ever be produced by the studio, is languishing as well.
- captveg
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Yes, they did, but with certain stipulations, such as more prominent titles being made unavailable for license - Three Men and a Baby, Stakeout, etc. Kino also had to take on less desired titles as part of a package that they wouldn't have released otherwise. KL Insider has said several times lately that Disney are "currently not interested in doing any new deals" for their own or 20th Century titles, as recently as Friday.The Elegant Dandy Fop wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:35 pmHasn't Kino licensed a bunch of Hollywood Pictures and Touchtone Pictures titles?
So, aside from when a filmmaker steps in like Wes Anderson has done before, I feel like we're in another period of no licensing to 3rd party labels from Disney. (Not totally unexpected with their Disney+ and St★r streaming services being their focus).
- dwk
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Not to be too snarky, but I wonder if Disney just isn't interested in doing new deals with Kino, but would still be open to licensing an occasional title out to Criterion. Kino's model of releasing 5 or 6 titles a week ends up with a lot of their releases getting overshadowed or forgotten.
- ryannichols7
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Don't Look Now has returned on UHD. so that certainly means we can discuss the OOP titles in this thread again? Paramount has clearly done a bit of an about face here, licensing to Kino, Arrow, and clearly Criterion, since we have new licenses Romeo and Juliet and Targets in addition to one of the "reclaimed" titles returning. this leaves us with
Nashville
Harold and Maude
La Dolce Vita
Days of Heaven
Rosemary's Baby
the first two got Paramount Plus releases from new 4K restorations/scans, I think they're more likely than any of the others. no Fellini film has been released on UHD anywhere yet, but obviously La Dolce Vita would be a pretty obvious one. Days of Heaven currently only exists on physical disc in the old (2008?) DVD era master that Criterion and Imprint both released, and Paramount's tossed out BD edition also used. I don't believe it's been restored since, unless anyone knows? Rosemary's Baby is apparently the one being retained by Paramount, which of course makes sense...even though I think the popularity of the film (ditto Chinatown and The Pianist) would outweigh Polanski's name being on there.
exciting times to look forward to! may The Wedding March finally see a release! Real Life! UHDs of Johnny Guitar and Paper Moon! one can dream!
Nashville
Harold and Maude
La Dolce Vita
Days of Heaven
Rosemary's Baby
the first two got Paramount Plus releases from new 4K restorations/scans, I think they're more likely than any of the others. no Fellini film has been released on UHD anywhere yet, but obviously La Dolce Vita would be a pretty obvious one. Days of Heaven currently only exists on physical disc in the old (2008?) DVD era master that Criterion and Imprint both released, and Paramount's tossed out BD edition also used. I don't believe it's been restored since, unless anyone knows? Rosemary's Baby is apparently the one being retained by Paramount, which of course makes sense...even though I think the popularity of the film (ditto Chinatown and The Pianist) would outweigh Polanski's name being on there.
exciting times to look forward to! may The Wedding March finally see a release! Real Life! UHDs of Johnny Guitar and Paper Moon! one can dream!
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Maybe we’ll finally get the long-rumored Hud and Catch 22.
- FrauBlucher
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Ryan, I agree Days of Heaven and La Dolce Vita stand good chances. This return title pretty much ends the idea that they could lose other Paramount titles
- ryannichols7
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I think these two are indefinitely held by Criterion. we now have the scenario where it's clear they're holding these titles, as I see no way Kino would've passed on either of them. obviously KLSC has cleared out quite a bit of Paramount titles, including ones wished for in this thread (Marathon Man, Starting Over, etc) but basically any of the ones they haven't I think are pretty clearly being held by CC at this point. we've known about The Wedding March for a ridiculously long time.
I agree completely. I think Paramount's whole thing where they wanted to make a big splash on the physical media market backfired on them big time, as evidenced by all their new licensing deals. the only thing that sucks is that it remains unlikely CC's Rosemary's Baby will come back - I don't see them taking any of their existing Polanski titles out of print, but this one (naturally the largest of them all) just conveniently is gone nowFrauBlucher wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 5:26 pmRyan, I agree Days of Heaven and La Dolce Vita stand good chances. This return title pretty much ends the idea that they could lose other Paramount titles
- CSM126
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Does anyone actually think that criterion gives one shit about Polanski being a horrible person? They’ve been releasing his films since the laserdisc era and everyone knew back then that he was a rapist. If they can make a buck off of his films, they will.