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Re: The Wolf of Wall Street (Martin Scorsese, 2013)

#76 Post by Shrew » Mon Dec 30, 2013 1:22 pm

I enjoyed this too, and it's Scorsese in fine form (probably his best work in a good while), though I didn't think as much of it as Jeff. As Murdoch notes, this is almost definitely going to get hit by the "Scarface" effect, in which a film criticizing a certain kind of lifestyle is doomed to become an object of idolatry among a lot of terrible people. That said, I found this a hell of a lot more fun than Scarface. The ending packs a great deflationary punch, but I still can't help but feel that some of the orgiastic sequences could have used more distance--some sort of clinical Cronenberg approach--in order to balance out the debauched glee.

DiCaprio is really perfect in this though. I haven't cared for him too much in his other Scorsese efforts (he does fine, but always seems like he's trying too hard not to be that boy in Titantic). But here he's able to turn his innate charm, boyishness, and weaselly face into awesomely awful and deluded human being without questioning why people would ever follow or "love" him.
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A quick question about the ending and the arrests. I haven't done my research, but did Jonah Hill's character end up ratting out the office (and perhaps giving the Fed's Belfort's note?) after realizing Belfort was bugged? I couldn't tell whether that mad typing and crying was due more to guilt or to simple paranoia/dread.

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Re: The Wolf of Wall Street (Martin Scorsese, 2013)

#77 Post by Drucker » Mon Dec 30, 2013 1:55 pm

Shrew wrote:
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A quick question about the ending and the arrests. I haven't done my research, but did Jonah Hill's character end up ratting out the office (and perhaps giving the Fed's Belfort's note?) after realizing Belfort was bugged? I couldn't tell whether that mad typing and crying was due more to guilt or to simple paranoia/dread.
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The way I read it is that he wasn't fingered by Belfort but they could still come after him. Considering he was deleting emails while they were raiding, and not before, means that he seemed surprised by the raid, or his computer could be confiscated. At first I thought he might've ratted people out too, but since he wasn't at the trial, that doesn't seem to be the case?
As for Leo
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The first scene after the first 18 months of marriage are over, when he's yelling with his wife over the girl Venice was unbelievable. He nailed the drug-addict/psychotic/petulant man-child baby perfectly. For me, it was probably the funniest part of the film.

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Re: The Wolf of Wall Street (Martin Scorsese, 2013)

#78 Post by Professor Wagstaff » Mon Dec 30, 2013 7:01 pm

I've been thinking on what drew Scorsese to this material and wondered if he saw some parallels between Wall Street's "Masters of the Universe" mentality/lifestyle and the one he and many other directors experienced during the New Hollywood era before its eventual fallout in the early 1980s. I find it interesting to imagine Belfort as a Coppola-like figure who rallied the troops and destroys the foundation of his empire to fuel his unquenchable appetites.

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#79 Post by warren oates » Mon Dec 30, 2013 7:27 pm

I'll echo the praise everyone else has offered already and agree completely with Wagstaff. I couldn't stop thinking the same thing the whole time I was watching and I'd say that the indictment of hubris and extreme indulgence doesn't only apply to his filmmaking peers like Coppola. When it comes to the partying and drug use in particular, Scorsese has his own extensive personal experience with substances like cocaine and quaaludes. It was epic Wolf-like benders that nearly did him in before he cleaned up and made Raging Bull.

Most of the three-hour running time flew by. In a film full of incredible moments, though, the sequence that really stood out for me was the one with the Lemmon 714s. Scorsese's always had an incredible visual sense. But it's not often so perfectly married to his underrated and sometimes underutilized sense of comic timing. I've always admired After Hours and considered bits in films like Goodfellas, Taxi Driver and even Raging Bull to be funnier than the entirety of most so-called comedies. So it's quite a pleasure to experience a few hours of those laughs nonstop.

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Re: The Wolf of Wall Street (Martin Scorsese, 2013)

#80 Post by Robert de la Cheyniest » Mon Dec 30, 2013 8:13 pm

Wagstaff, funnily enough on one of the documentaries for the Casino DVD, Scorsese says he later realized the film was a kind of parable for his whole generation of filmmakers in Hollywood. The destruction/Disneylandization montage at the end of the film (with the St. Matthew Passion reprise) becomes particularly sad/tragic when viewed in this light.

In any case, agree what everyone has said about this film. I think it's a total masterpiece and the extended Quaalude binge is a total hoot. Who would guess DiCaprio had such a gift for physical comedy?

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#81 Post by domino harvey » Wed Jan 01, 2014 1:42 am

I'm drunk and that seems like the perfect mood to be in to write up this phenomenal movie. Easily Scorsese's best film and a real comic masterpiece of pacing and forward momentum-- believe all those who've said the three hours fly by, because they really do. Leonardo DiCaprio and Jonah Hill deserve Oscars, period, and each is given at least one show-stopper segment: the latter for a hilarious exchange about his cousin and the former for the single-best moment in the film, a sequence wherein he has to come up with a creative way to exit a country club (any more than that I won't spoil). Even the music cues are fresh and inspired-- look, I am praising Scorsese for his music cues, that's some clue as to how vital and fresh this film is! I have a hard time imagining this connecting with older Academy viewers, but this is a modern masterpiece and handily one of the best films of the year.

Or, if you're the middle aged couple that exited the film as we were waiting to go in, your thoughts are more in line with:

"That was sick."
"They really shouldn't have shown that."

And the best part is, of course, that since I only heard the tailend of that exchange, there's a dozen moments they could have been describing-- the MPAA must've been paid off with Belfort-level bux to pass this as anything but NC-17!

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Re: The Wolf of Wall Street (Martin Scorsese, 2013)

#82 Post by Jeff » Wed Jan 01, 2014 1:49 am

domino harvey wrote:I'm drunk and that seems like the perfect mood to be in to write up this phenomenal movie.
It'd be better if you'd taken some Lemmon 714s, but drunk will do. Careful getting back to your Lamborghini.

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#83 Post by domino harvey » Wed Jan 01, 2014 1:58 am

Also, before I forget this, this is a pretty wild movie that inspires loads of incredulous laughs, but one moment inspired one of the most inappropriate responses I can remember from an otherwise well-behaved audience member
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The woman behind me thought DiCaprio punching his wife in the belly was hilarious and she laughed so loud and so hard (and didn't laugh at almost anything else) that I was wanted to throw a Coke on her-- who misreads that moment as comic?!

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#84 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:11 am

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Did it appear as if she was on a date? If so, maybe she got jealous because her partner was drooling all over himself over Margot Robbie, which honestly is not an unreasonable response.

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#85 Post by criterion10 » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:24 am

domino harvey wrote:Even the music cues are fresh and inspired
I'm glad you mentioned this, because I too felt that many of the song choices were unorthodox (especially for Scorsese), and yet they worked so well. I mean, who would've thought that
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Mrs. Robinson by the Lemonheads would've worked so well in the film's final moments? Or the classical piece of music played upon Jonah Hill's first encounter with Quaaludes?

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#86 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:27 am

Shocking as it is coming from me, I'm glad they used as little classic rock (I think the only staple used was Billy Joel's "Moving Out"). as possible for the soundtrack.

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#87 Post by D50 » Wed Jan 01, 2014 9:36 am

Caught the first showing of the day last week and felt like I had the theater to myself. I did hear about it's length, and didn't notice the time at all. I knew it was going to be good when he flashed back to his first day in stock broking - and we see the cub become the wolf.
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Loved the Lamborghini Hitchcock Stage Fright visual and audible flashback that lies scene.

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#88 Post by domino harvey » Wed Jan 01, 2014 1:16 pm

I was going to ask this hypothetically but a quick Google search tells me my suspicion was right: This is now the record holder for most uses of the word "Fuck" in a narrative film, with 506 instances (and that's excluding all the other vulgarities)-- not too surprising since I cannot think of a single line from the film that didn't have a swear word!

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Re: The Wolf of Wall Street (Martin Scorsese, 2013)

#89 Post by jindianajonz » Tue Jan 07, 2014 6:15 pm

I guess I'm in the minority in that I didn't really care for Jonah Hill in this film. He started out decently enough in his early scenes, but as the film went on I felt he slowly but surely devolved into the same typecast Hill character that I've seen in Superbad and This is the End, complete with his trademark mocking sincerity (A trait that This is the End played up very well). Or to put it another way, diCaprio had me convinced that he was Jordan Belcourt, but once drugs came into the picture I never forgot that I was watching Jonah Hill.


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Re: The Wolf of Wall Street (Martin Scorsese, 2013)

#91 Post by DarkImbecile » Wed Jan 08, 2014 12:49 pm

For all the hand-wringing and pearl-clutching about whether or not the film does enough to criticize its characters, I am amazed that I've yet to see anyone bring up the scene in which
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Jonah Hill pisses on a subpoena from the Justice Department with a hearty "Fuck you, USA!", after which the assembled crowd of Wall Streeters chants, "Fuck you, fuck you..."
How much more does Scorsese need to do to spell out how he feels about his characters?

Wolf - much like Zero Dark Thirty last year - looks to be the 2013 film that gets smeared for reasons having nothing to do with its quality, while its lack of contemporary recognition will be looked back on as embarrassing in the near future.

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#92 Post by cdnchris » Wed Jan 08, 2014 4:51 pm

I don't get the accusations of "glorifying" the characters and their actions. Oh yeah, those scenes involving:
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1. Leo and Jonah on the 714s (as funny as it is) and losing complete control
2. Anything involving his daughter, where she sees him in his drug fueled state, or where he almost kills her in the car
3. Smacking his wife
4. The final friggin shot
were definitely condoning everything going on in this movie.

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Re: The Wolf of Wall Street (Martin Scorsese, 2013)

#93 Post by captveg » Wed Jan 08, 2014 4:57 pm

My good friend Dean had a pretty great write-up on his Facebook page that I'll share here:

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The Wolf Of Wall Street For Dummies by Dino Hollywood
January 7, 2014 at 2:10am

“The most fundamental mistake you can make with any piece of fiction is to confuse the content with the subject. The content is what is in a movie. The subject is what the movie is about. Word counters are as offended by a Martin Scorsese picture as by a brainless violent action picture, because they see the same elements in both. But the brainless picture is simply a form of exhibitionism, in which the director is showing you disgusting things on the screen. And the Scorsese picture might be an attempt to deal seriously with guilt and sin, with evil and the possibility of redemption. If you cannot tell one from the other, then you owe it to yourself to learn; life is short, and no fun if you spend it disowning your own intelligence." - Roger Ebert

This far into the evolution of the cinematic form, I shouldn’t have to step forward to spell things out in this manner but a random sampling of the critical and public reaction to a recent feature film release reveals that yet again, some of us have been flummoxed by a genius that extends too beyond our collective scope to grasp. This concerns the reception of an artfully antagonistic work of allegorical avarice and the once absent chapter in Martin Scorsese’s vast, historical, American criminal chronology which begins in the late 1840’s with Gangs Of New York, continues through the 1920’s with Boardwalk Empire, and up until now had been annotated for expansion from the late 1980’s to mid-1990’s somewhere between Henry Hill ordering egg noodles and ketchup and Sam “Ace” Rothstein bemoaning the pyramids obstructing his pining view of a paradise lost. The picture in question is entitled The Wolf Of Wall Street and only if you have seen it should you feel free to pass go as I do not wish the ensuing tirade to taint anyone’s initial reaction or reading of what I consider a visual masterwork.

The Wolf Of Wall Street is not an indictment of Jordan Belfort or our financial crisis but of us, and this, I contend, is what turns our protective and critical instincts against it. The film does not moralize and due to its refusal to judge its subject, many reviewers have expressed feeling cheated. Now I was not around for the initial critical reception of Raging Bull, but archival notices indicating any such qualms with that masterpiece’s resistance to deny Jake LaMotta his humanity are either fewer and father between or have since been shamed into retraction. It is only when Scorsese's fun house mirror reflects our own impotence as the impetus propelling us to flail in the wake of bull-shitters who project boatloads of self-confidence that the lap-dogs begin paddling back toward their laptops to type out an “SOS”. “How dare a filmmaker be so irresponsible as to give us a front row seat to this capitalistic gang-fuck but fail to execute the proper sentence on its perpetrators so we can leave the theater feeling satisfied or superior?” seems to be the general consensus. Nevertheless, to lash out now is laughable when the film’s core conceit is confronting us with the same passive part of our nature that calls us to line up in solidarity for the vicarious thrills of a Hollywood blockbuster but stand down or scoff when it comes to something like the Occupy movement.

Somewhere along the way it has become acceptable for the rabid uninformed to bark without shame, while film criticism sidesteps its responsibility to what has actually made it to screen. The grammar of a given film is seldom if ever contemplated, freeing up space for more plot synopsis, vague conjecture and exclamation points!!! The conversation has devolved to such an extent, that even those with no basic understanding of the criteria with which we process a great film, feel province to pile shame on its creators. The Wolf Of Wall Street’s charged and timely subject matter seems to have imbued even its subject’s real life victims and their supporters with an indefensible sense that our prospective pity is credential enough for them to comment on art. Thus, a smattering of “scathing” open letters have been written c/o Martin Scorsese and Leonardo DiCaprio since the opening of perhaps their boldest and most accomplished collaboration to date. To nobody’s surprise, not one of these misguided missives makes a single salient point concerning what has been committed to celluloid. This is what occurs when liberal sensibilities are confused for a discipline or a craft and when film is confused with a court of law.

Mr. Scorsese is a master of the moving image whose work speaks in eloquent volumes and entirely for itself but clearly in a language many filmgoers including “critics” no longer comprehend. The language I refer to is cinema and Scorsese’s vocabulary sagely draws no distinction between protagonist and antagonist. In his seemingly endless canon of classics there is no traditional “hero” or “villain” to speak of. Outside forces only exist as symbolic extensions of the inner inequities we all fear facing. In this respect, The Wolf Of Wall Street is exemplary of its heritage and Jordan Belfort’s very introduction wholly epitomizes it. The distance he so impetuously puts between himself and us “the little people” by making sure we know that he’s the film’s protagonist and not the Dwarf he’s just tossed, says everything. But it is two precision-calibrated freeze frames that do the real heavy lifting. The amount of op-ed real estate devoted to whether literal Dwarf-tossing took place in the Stratton Oakmont office is embarrassing. If visual metaphor is that taxing, Terrence Winter’s exactingly crass metonymy allows Jordan to interpret for us as he openly scoffs at an FBI agent’s unassuming assertion with his revealing retort, “Me, the little-guy!?” If you are indeed visually illiterate, I will hereby address you directly as I further dissect a sampling of the optical allegory implicit in the picture and how it symbolically relates to the protagonist/antagonist dichotomy.

For a film focusing on one man's financial ascent, which uses stairs metaphorically, I wonder if you found it at all curious, that the man is never shown climbing upward; he is only shown descending or having already arrived. In following Jordan Belfort's “climb” to greater financial heights if you didn't intellectually register the number of times he physically moved down a tier or simply manifested in a higher tax bracket, you felt it. Sorry, but you didn't have a choice. It's not a plot point or a line of dialogue it's a visual motif. Your brain connects subliminal dots whether you can articulate it or not. In tracing Jordan’s momentum, the single exception utilizes a spiral staircase shown from a disorienting, Daliesque perspective-tunnel so that as he moves up his downward trajectory remains in tact. All of this culminates in the coup de grâce of sight gags where in a Quaalude-induced semi-coma, we assume Jordan's POV of the slightest flight of downward steps. To both him and us, the low, curbed angle processes a staircase so abnormally elongated it appears to ascend.

The idea of lowering oneself to new material heights is not only confined to a stairs but to crashing helicopters, planes and eventually boats. You may recall the private copter “landing” on the estate to reveal our drooling “hero”, but with the help of a judicious cut, he's dapper and back on top (of a staircase), maintaining the sale of his own myth. But the crucial thing that the odd chronology has spared us witness is the next beat where Jordan actually works to gain control over his faculties and fails miserably, falling in the pool. Not only does this suggest that there is always further to fall but that the character’s real struggle is purposely being hidden from our view. Redacted. This is the same approach Mr. Scorsese took in his 1964 student short It’s Not Just You, Murray!, another deliriously sad essay of denial that I defy detractors to see as “glorification”. In fact, exactly like Jordan, Murray starts out in total control of his picture's direction going so far as to pan the camera upwards with own hand but the more forcefully he sells us, the more he is undermined by his own rapidly unraveling psychology made manifest through loaded imagery.

Have you forgotten that the first image in the film is the icon of a lion and that the last image is of lambs? Neither animal is literal as the first is a CG rendering unleashed into the unnatural environment of an office by Madison Ave. ad makers and the last is an audience not unlike us; "sheep" secluded into being sold, jaws agape, looking to the king of a capitalistic jungle-gym for insight into how to steal our classmate's lunch money. And while his roar remains, the king in question has long since (in the eyes of those of us paying attention) been stripped of his power to project anything save for his own superiority complex. Can you call to mind the opening reel and the ease with which our “protagonist” changes the color of the very sports car that our “antagonist” ends up demolishing? At first blush, Mr. Belfort’s word is as good as gold, all he need do is say it and it becomes so. Now what about in the aftermath of his rescue, when an airplane explodes mid-air and the wet and shivering “wolf” wonders if we've even seen it. In the end, the onus is on us to confirm or deny this once confident man’s version of events; we can embrace, reject or even repress the very existence of his worldview. But at least we now understand the cost of doing so.

The Wolf Of Wall Street follows the struggle of a repressed conscience, a theme Scorsese has connected with water in the past, most rigorously in both Cape Fear and Shutter Island. In each of those films, water holds the power to haunt, refracting a guilt-ridden protagonist's psyche into a karmic monster. In Raging Bull, water is symbolically associated with Jake LaMotta's second wife Vickie, a young blonde who's angelic allure and intangible power to heal is revealed as her husband's shallow objectification, obscuring her true nature as a living, breathing woman. In Jordan Belfort’s case, both uses of the water metaphor are married, haunting him by foiling his grandest plans and mocking his inability to have a lasting or realistic relationship with anyone of the opposite sex. This connection extends intrinsically and lives through performance in how comically disproportionate DiCaprio distends Jordan’s reaction to a glass of water when wielded as a weapon by his second wife Naomi, another unknowable and archetypically angelic blonde. Much in the same way Jordan handles the women in his life, he continually attempts to master water by throwing money at it (figuratively as well as literally) but only ends up sinking his yacht and by extension its namesake, his wife. And here the link is made inextricable.

I wonder if you thought it accidental that when Jordan and the Swiss banker first meet, they are identically framed from mirrored angles with the banker's back to an office aquarium and Jordan's back to the ocean? Did you figure the fixed aquatic framing of Jordan eyeing the banker's exotic fish adoringly for random b-roll? What about his shit-eating admiration for Donnie’s swallowing of the gold fish? What about his exasperation at his colleagues for their lack of familiarity with Moby Dick? What about his crystalline point of view of the cannonball pool splash that drapes Naomi like some kind of mermaid when first they meet or the distance his flat, wakeless pool intimates when he reveals his ankle bracelet to Donnie as his wife paces, dry-docked in the background? Is it by coincidence that the Swiss banker ends up with an interchangeable, objectified blonde who is shown giving herself over to him, not only freely but in bed, the very same setting in which we first met Jordan’s wife and last saw her submit to being taken against her will? Does it even need to be mentioned that Naomi's bedroom introduction occurs in a God’s eye view, a shot Scorsese practically has a patent on and is almost always associated with retribution?

Disabuse yourselves of any notion of the haphazard. None of this is coincidence. These decisions are not arbitrary. They are the considered associations of a deeper mind and heart than your own, meditating in close collaboration with an unparalleled phalanx of consummate craftsmen. And yes, even the appearance of Steve Urkel in a hot air balloon is no accident. Never mind that the scene in question concerns an average working man’s fear of heights. Never mind that Urkel says, “One pull for up. Two for down!" suggesting that when you're full of hot air it takes less effort to rise than fall. All you really need to know is that the show is called “Family Matters”.

I suggest that the next time you’re in search of an After-School Special with Scorsese-style trimmings but none of the associated psychological heft or symbolic anthropology, watch American Hustle.

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#94 Post by criterion10 » Wed Jan 08, 2014 8:40 pm

That's a beautifully written write-up. I particularly like how your friend mentioned the sequence between DiCaprio and Dujardin. I hadn't noticed the metaphor regarding water, though I remember watching that scene, thinking that the compositions (I believe both actors talk to each other while looking directly into the camera) and manner in which Scorsese and Schoonmaker edited the scene were both very well done.

Also, the one shot referenced of DiCaprio running down a spiral staircase -- did anyone else interpret this as Scorsese referencing The Red Shoes? Seems rather likely to me, considering it's one of his favorite films, and there's actually a similar shot in Shutter Island that Scorsese claimed was a reference to The Red Shoes (DiCaprio running up the steps in the lighthouse towards the end of the film).

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#95 Post by captveg » Thu Jan 09, 2014 1:42 am

Oh, I'm sure it is a reference. Scorsese is always thinking of film history as groundwork to build on, then blows past it and advances the language.

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#96 Post by The Elegant Dandy Fop » Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:37 am

On film references, I can't be the only one who noticed the boat crashing into the wave shot is right out of the climax of Foreign Correspondent, right?

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#97 Post by wattsup32 » Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:32 pm

There is some astute film analysis and solid writing in Dino Hollywood's write up. I hope at some point he will be able to manage all of that terrific content without resorting to Armond White style contempt for audiences, self-righteousness, and warrantless trolling of another well regarded film.

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#98 Post by captveg » Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:23 pm

wattsup32 wrote:There is some astute film analysis and solid writing in Dino Hollywood's write up. I hope at some point he will be able to manage all of that terrific content without resorting to Armond White style contempt for audiences, self-righteousness, and warrantless trolling of another well regarded film.
I'm not too worried about that as he and I were just talking about White's unprofessionalism at lunch yesterday.

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#99 Post by wattsup32 » Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:31 pm

captveg wrote:
wattsup32 wrote:There is some astute film analysis and solid writing in Dino Hollywood's write up. I hope at some point he will be able to manage all of that terrific content without resorting to Armond White style contempt for audiences, self-righteousness, and warrantless trolling of another well regarded film.
I'm not too worried about that as he and I were just talking about White's unprofessionalism at lunch yesterday.
Lovely. I look forward to his future writings. It was only the Armondiness of the WoWS piece that put me off.

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#100 Post by krnash » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:21 pm

wattsup32 wrote:
captveg wrote:
wattsup32 wrote:There is some astute film analysis and solid writing in Dino Hollywood's write up. I hope at some point he will be able to manage all of that terrific content without resorting to Armond White style contempt for audiences, self-righteousness, and warrantless trolling of another well regarded film.
I'm not too worried about that as he and I were just talking about White's unprofessionalism at lunch yesterday.
Lovely. I look forward to his future writings. It was only the Armondiness of the WoWS piece that put me off.
I wouldn't say there was much Armondiness. He isn't attacking an innocent audience but one that criticizes, repels and crucifies without fully understanding. If anything, it's a smart piece leveling itself at an audience which is acting with Armondiness.

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