Halyna Hutchins' Death by a Prop Gun
- swo17
- Bloodthirsty Butcher
- Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:25 am
- Location: SLC, UT
Re: Halyna Hutchins' Death by a Prop Gun
From the people that brought you "What if vaccines are more dangerous than the virus?"
- Brian C
- I hate to be That Pedantic Guy but...
- Joined: Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:58 am
- Location: Chicago, IL
Re: Halyna Hutchins' Death by a Prop Gun
That seems like a fake meme. Real conspiracy theorists know that prop guns don’t kill people - liberal Hollywood elites kill people.
- swo17
- Bloodthirsty Butcher
- Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:25 am
- Location: SLC, UT
Re: Halyna Hutchins' Death by a Prop Gun
Been seeing a lot of people relishing that Baldwin's going through hell right now, because he was an "anti gun nut" and because he impersonated Trump I guess. Honestly the hardest thing about life right now is that half of us are "all in this together" and the other half are laughing at us
- hearthesilence
- Joined: Fri Mar 04, 2005 4:22 am
- Location: NYC
Re: Halyna Hutchins' Death by a Prop Gun
That's basically the definition of the Trump era. He didn't just highlight these qualities in people, he (and ultimately anyone who cast a ballot for him) fostered it to a greater degree.
-
- Joined: Sun Aug 09, 2020 10:21 am
- swo17
- Bloodthirsty Butcher
- Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:25 am
- Location: SLC, UT
Re: Halyna Hutchins' Death by a Prop Gun
I wasn't being exact with my numbers, but I also wasn't making a political statement
- knives
- Joined: Sat Sep 06, 2008 6:49 pm
Re: Halyna Hutchins' Death by a Prop Gun
Not to take this off topic too much, but while many problems are unique to trump world the overly sectarian us and them no gray area mentality is a seemingly universal trait at the moment with people of all stripes expressing ceaseless hate for their out groups. I know I’ve struggled to temper this with myself with Jan. 6th being a serious self reckoning for how that was also a reflection of my worst self.hearthesilence wrote: ↑Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:33 amThat's basically the definition of the Trump era. He didn't just highlight these qualities in people, he (and ultimately anyone who cast a ballot for him) fostered it to a greater degree.
In terms of Baldwin all the discourse directly on him should be in empathy for what his emotional state must be as the one who pulled the trigger.
- Michael Kerpan
- Spelling Bee Champeen
- Joined: Wed Nov 03, 2004 1:20 pm
- Location: New England
- Contact:
Re: Halyna Hutchins' Death by a Prop Gun
There has been zero discussion of the circumstances when the fatal shot was fired -- surprisingly. Was Baldwin just firing "for fun"? I doubt it. It would seem to me that the cinematographer and the director (standing directly behind her) were actually doing a scene that involved Baldwin firing towards the camera. Just my guess...
- swo17
- Bloodthirsty Butcher
- Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:25 am
- Location: SLC, UT
Re: Halyna Hutchins' Death by a Prop Gun
I read somewhere that they were doing a screen test of him sitting in a church pew and shooting directly at the camera
- Rayon Vert
- Green is the Rayest Color
- Joined: Wed Jan 08, 2014 10:52 pm
- Location: Canada
- Contact:
Re: Halyna Hutchins' Death by a Prop Gun
CNN had this a few days ago:
The shot that killed a cinematographer on a New Mexico film set last week was fired as actor Alec Baldwin was practicing drawing his gun, according to the director who was injured in the shooting, an affidavit for a search warrant shows.
Joel Souza, director of the film "Rust," was shot in the shoulder and director of photography Halyna Hutchins, 42, was killed when the prop gun went off during a rehearsal at the Bonanza Creek Ranch in Santa Fe on Thursday.
Souza spoke to investigators Friday, according to the affidavit released by the Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office on Sunday.
Souza told them Baldwin was "sitting in a pew in a church building setting, and he was practicing a cross draw," the affidavit said. A cross draw is when a shooter pulls the weapon from a holster on the opposite side of the body from the draw hand.
- Lemmy Caution
- Joined: Wed Mar 29, 2006 3:26 am
- Location: East of Shanghai
Re: Halyna Hutchins' Death by a Prop Gun
So they hired a young inexperienced person to do two jobs ...Veteran prop master Neal W. Zoromski earlier told The Los Angeles Times that he declined an offer to work on “Rust” because producers insisted that one person could serve as both assistant prop master and armorer. Zoromski said those are “two really big jobs” that couldn’t be combined. He called the production “an accident waiting to happen.”
“Hannah Gutierrez Reed was hired on two positions on this film, which made it extremely difficult to focus on her job as an armorer,” they said. “She fought for training, days to maintain weapons, and proper time to prepare for gunfire but ultimately was overruled by production and her department. The whole production set became unsafe due to various factors, including lack of safety meetings. This was not the fault of Hannah.”
- Michael Kerpan
- Spelling Bee Champeen
- Joined: Wed Nov 03, 2004 1:20 pm
- Location: New England
- Contact:
Re: Halyna Hutchins' Death by a Prop Gun
Rayon Vert -- I guess I missed the CNN story. Thanks.
- Finch
- Joined: Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:09 pm
- Location: Edinburgh, UK
Re: Halyna Hutchins' Death by a Prop Gun
Producers warned about AD Dave Halls' indifference to safety issues on his previous film
At this point, I think Halls and the producers on set have more to be concerned about than Gutierrez-Reed but she isn't out of the woods.
At this point, I think Halls and the producers on set have more to be concerned about than Gutierrez-Reed but she isn't out of the woods.
- Rayon Vert
- Green is the Rayest Color
- Joined: Wed Jan 08, 2014 10:52 pm
- Location: Canada
- Contact:
Re: Halyna Hutchins' Death by a Prop Gun
Here's a bit more on how it apparently unfolded, as reported by a CNN writer "based on a search warrant affidavit and 911 calls".
Baldwin and crew members began rehearsing a scene in the rustic church, broke for lunch, and then returned to the set.
Baldwin, dressed in Old West clothes, was huddled with Souza, cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and a few others inside the simple wooden structure. One camera was set up, but because they were just rehearsing, nothing was being filmed or recorded.
Assistant director Dave Halls fetched a prop gun from a cart outside the church and yelled "cold gun!," indicating it was unloaded. He then handed it to Baldwin, who sat in a church pew facing the camera and crew.
Baldwin was demonstrating a "cross draw" -- pulling a gun from a holster on the opposite side of his body from his draw hand. The scene required him to point the gun toward the camera.
It was about 1:50 p.m. Souza told deputies he was viewing the scene through the camera and nearby monitors when he heard "what sounded like a whip and then a loud pop."
Hutchins stumbled backward and slumped to the floor, clutching her stomach and saying she couldn't feel her legs. Souza, who had been standing beside her, noticed blood on his shoulder.
- Toland's Mitchell
- Joined: Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:42 pm
Re: Halyna Hutchins' Death by a Prop Gun
Regardless if Gutierrez-Reed was hired for two jobs, when people's lives and safety are the responsibility of one of those jobs, then that job takes priority over the other. A gun with a live bullet should not have been on set, and especially should not have been left unattended.
But yes, Dave Halls's position is looking worse.
As for Baldwin, he isn't to blame. However, for all his years in showbusiness and for all the times he has wielded a firearm on camera (Thick as Thieves, The Edge, Hunt for Red October, Miami Blue), I find it impossible to believe he had never been through the safety procedure I described in post #48. Again, not his fault, but he still should have known better. As for whether or not he will face legal consequences, as a producer on the film, I assume a portion of the class action settlement going to Halyna's family will come out of his pocket. There may be additional fines but I doubt he'll face jail time or community service. However, Gutierrez-Reed and Halls may see the inside of a jail cell, unless other evidence comes out, and if the outcome of this case is similar to The Sarah Jones Case.
But yes, Dave Halls's position is looking worse.
As for Baldwin, he isn't to blame. However, for all his years in showbusiness and for all the times he has wielded a firearm on camera (Thick as Thieves, The Edge, Hunt for Red October, Miami Blue), I find it impossible to believe he had never been through the safety procedure I described in post #48. Again, not his fault, but he still should have known better. As for whether or not he will face legal consequences, as a producer on the film, I assume a portion of the class action settlement going to Halyna's family will come out of his pocket. There may be additional fines but I doubt he'll face jail time or community service. However, Gutierrez-Reed and Halls may see the inside of a jail cell, unless other evidence comes out, and if the outcome of this case is similar to The Sarah Jones Case.
- captveg
- Joined: Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:28 pm
Re: Halyna Hutchins' Death by a Prop Gun
The most frustrating and sad thing about this incident is that there were several industry safety steps in place that were cut short or bypassed altogether. Goes to show that no matter how much of a process has been created to mitigate risk, human error or disregard for those processes can push through to allow disaster.
- aox
- Joined: Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:02 pm
- Location: nYc
Re: Halyna Hutchins' Death by a Prop Gun
Isn't this the purpose of the production having an LLC?Toland's Mitchell wrote: ↑Sat Oct 30, 2021 1:05 pmas a producer on the film, I assume a portion of the class action settlement going to Halyna's family will come out of his pocket.[/url].
- Finch
- Joined: Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:09 pm
- Location: Edinburgh, UK
Re: Halyna Hutchins' Death by a Prop Gun
THR interviews camera A first assistant Lane Luper who walked off the set the day before Hutchins died.
This film has a snowball's chance in hell of ever getting finished.
This film has a snowball's chance in hell of ever getting finished.
- therewillbeblus
- Joined: Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:40 pm
Re: Halyna Hutchins' Death by a Prop Gun
Baldwin stood in for an "interview" with paparazzi who were staking him and his family out in Manchester, VT earlier in the week, and also expressed doubt/disinterest in the film resuming production. There's just no way, and honestly it's probably best for all involved.
- therewillbeblus
- Joined: Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:40 pm
- Never Cursed
- Such is life on board the Redoutable
- Joined: Sun Aug 14, 2016 12:22 am
- swo17
- Bloodthirsty Butcher
- Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:25 am
- Location: SLC, UT
Re: Halyna Hutchins' Death by a Prop Gun
Well the big news here is that her husband apparently wants this and will executive produce. Surely it will have a prominent "For Halyna" credit at the end. Best possible outcome, I should think, in terms of everyone's healing and forgiveness for Baldwin
- Peacock
- Joined: Mon Dec 22, 2008 7:47 pm
- Location: Scotland
Re: Halyna Hutchins' Death by a Prop Gun
Executive producer is normally just a way of paying someone while bypassing union rules so I guess he sees this as a way to get some compensation out of this sad situation. Personally I think it’s going to be a difficult watch for a lot of people seeing Baldwin wise cracking and emoting knowing that probably a few scenes later he kill a crew member. Obviously they would cut that sequence out but people will try and guess where in the film it happened etc. I’m not one for suppressing films or anything, finish it by all means… I just feel it’s going to be a weird watch.
- swo17
- Bloodthirsty Butcher
- Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:25 am
- Location: SLC, UT
Re: Halyna Hutchins' Death by a Prop Gun
As I recall they were just broadly rehearsing when the shooting happened, so I don't know that there would be a sequence to cut out