Pioneers of African American Cinema

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What A Disgrace · #1 Post by **What A Disgrace** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 4:19 pm

According to Kino themselves, the BFI will be releasing a version of their Pioneers... set in the autumn.

https://www.kinolorber.com/film/pioneer ... icancinema" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

EddieLarkin · #2 Post by **EddieLarkin** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 4:29 pm

Interesting. I'd much rather wait for the BFI version, but as a backer I don't know if I'm locked in to receiving the Kino release in July.

#3 Post by **swo17** » Thu Jul 28, 2016 2:44 pm

thirtyframesasecond · Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:02 pm

Hmmm, looks pretty pretty pretty good.

kidc85 · #5 Post by **kidc85** » Thu Jul 28, 2016 8:06 pm

Is this set going to be an exact replica of the Kino release in terms of films included?

kidc85 · #6 Post by **kidc85** » Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:02 pm

Uh, this just got added to Netflix UK. It's been added as a TV show of sorts, where each of the films (some are paired with shorts) have their own sub-entry.

sir_luke · #7 Post by **sir_luke** » Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:14 pm

kidc85 wrote:Uh, this just got added to Netflix UK. It's been added as a TV show of sorts, where each of the films (some are paired with shorts) have their own sub-entry.

The Kino counterpart is on Netflix US too.

Perkins Cobb · #8 Post by **Perkins Cobb** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:36 pm

sir_luke wrote:
kidc85 wrote:Uh, this just got added to Netflix UK. It's been added as a TV show of sorts, where each of the films (some are paired with shorts) have their own sub-entry.
The Kino counterpart is on Netflix US too.

Just streaming, though -- no discs. Netflix is the scum of the earth.

ryannichols7 · #9 Post by **ryannichols7** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 7:12 pm

can anyone answer what, if any, difference this has from the Kino set? Beaver reports better audio and it appears the BFI booklet is more expansive...but would love some insight if anyone has any.

DeprongMori · #10 Post by **DeprongMori** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 7:23 pm

ryannichols7 wrote: Tue Jan 10, 2023 7:12 pm can anyone answer what, if any, difference this has from the Kino set? Beaver reports better audio and it appears the BFI booklet is more expansive...but would love some insight if anyone has any.

A quick scan on DVDcompare seems to indicate that both the KinoLorber and the BFI have the same film content and the same 80-page book contents. Not sure about the sound. I did a quick check of Kino’s Disc 1 to see whether what Gary was reporting was on an early uncorrected disc, but mine also shows Dolby instead of PCM on Two Knights of Vaudeville and Body and Soul, so I expect the films between on that disc are also Dolby. I quick-checked a couple films on DIsc 2 of the Kino and they are LPCM. As far as book format, the book in the KinoLorber is perfect-bound. Not sure about the BFI.

FWIW, the KinoLorber release of Pioneers: First Women Filmmakers and BFI’s Early Women Filmmakers 1911-1940 are substantially different, even though they have significant overlap.

#11 Post by **swo17** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 11:52 pm

The BFI book is also perfect-bound. It's nearly 80 pages, and includes technical details for each film as you would expect from a BFI release (not sure if the Kino book would have all of that). They probably both have the same essays. Might also be worth noting that the Kino DVD set is missing three films that are present on both the Kino and BFI Blu-ray sets

DeprongMori · #12 Post by **DeprongMori** » Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:10 am

An example of the level of technical detail per film in the Kino:

A RECKLESS ROVER
1918 14 Min.
Produced by Luther Pollard
Directed by C.N. David
Photographed by C.C. Felty
With Sam Robinson (Rastus Jones)
Produced by Ebony Film Corporation, Chicago, Illinois
Mastered in HD from 35mm elements preserved by The Library of Congress
(followed by 13 line description of film)

on p. 58

MichaelB · #13 Post by **MichaelB** » Wed Jan 11, 2023 9:00 am

Is there any seamless branching? Because that would explain the Dolby/PCM conundrum.

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