578 The Complete Jean Vigo

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HerrSchreck
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Re: 578 The Complete Jean Vigo

#51 Post by HerrSchreck »

Yes I was very pleased to recently get a DVDR from a friend of that older resto so I can have that excised footage (plus the different song at the end) for my own personal archive.

L'Atalante is just magnificent.
Jun-Dai wrote:The film definitely does have some incredibly touching moments, but I don't really consider that one of them.
I don't know if the scene (of sexual longing) is touching per se, (aside from what the actors are doing to themselves), but beautifully done and erotic I'd say it certainly is.
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#52 Post by zedz »

MichaelB wrote:I'm firmly in the pro-L'Atalante camp (and agree 100% with everything Schreck says), but I've only ever seen it in 35mm - and the comments above suggest that this makes a significant difference.
Ditto, and I'd been (probably obnoxiously) assuming that the nay-sayers must have missed the 35mm revival when it was circulating in the late 80s / early 90s. It's such a vital film, and like Zero de conduite it's 'moving', but in completely unexpected ways. They're films that love to trip you up by mixing registers and taking your breath away with moments that could be quirkily idiosyncratic, earnestly documentary or wildly poetic, sometimes rammed up alongside each other. For some reason that diversity works beautifully on the big screen, where even the most casual and intimate moment is made monumental and equated with the passages of sweeping impressionism. As Leos Carax recognized, what Vigo manages to do here is fashion a modern romantic myth out of a very eccentric bag of odds and ends, without flattening out the eccentricity.
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#53 Post by karmajuice »

I have had the Artificial Eye set for two years and still haven't watched it, and now Criterion releases this. Fuck.

Maybe a "in the distant future" purchase, if I adore the films once I finally get around to watching them.
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#54 Post by HerrSchreck »

What's been pre-empting them all this time? What them furchrissakes!!!
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#55 Post by karmajuice »

Region problems. My blu-ray drive isn't compatible with region-free software so I need to get an external DVD drive. Why I've put it off for so long I hardly know. But it's happening next paycheck.
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According to Beaver, these all appear to be new transfers, and after comparing them to the Artificial Eye release, I tend to agree. These appear to be a marked improvement over the AE transfers, which were pretty darn good in the first place. I've never seen these look this beautiful.
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#58 Post by swo17 »

Michel Gondry video tribute to Vigo (also available on the CC release)
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I loved that...I only wish it could've been longer.
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#60 Post by ptatler »

Here's a little write up on both SUNSHINE and the VIGO set, written under duress.
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#61 Post by YnEoS »

Anyone else have trouble getting their DVDs out of the case? I've had some tough ones before, but for some reason here the DVDs seemed extra bendable, and I nearly had to bend my DVDs in half just to pull it out. Scared me half to death.
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#62 Post by knives »

Look up a few posts.
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#63 Post by neal »

By which knives means: Yes, people are talking about it over in the packaging thread.
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#64 Post by manicsounds »

Can anyone comment on the 1998 Jean Vigo biopic? There is a DVD from Park Circus UK but can't find any reviews.
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#65 Post by htshell »

Extremely happy with this set. Love all the transfers, extras and graphic design.
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#66 Post by ellipsis7 »

manicsounds wrote:Can anyone comment on the 1998 Jean Vigo biopic? There is a DVD from Park Circus UK but can't find any reviews.
Haven't seen it myself on basis of contemporaneous reviews such as this capsuled in Time Out...
Jean Vigo (1905-34) suffered from TB and paranoia. His anarchist father was murdered when Vigo was 12, and the event haunted him. Yet in a career that encompassed only three short scraps and one heavily compromised feature (L'Atalante), Vigo ensured his place in history as a poet of cinema. Best known for The Great Rock'n'Roll Swindle, Julien Temple doubtless identified with Vigo the proto-punk and master metteur-en-scène, yet the character here, filtered through a gauzy screenplay, is an impetuous, immature prankster whose love for cinema seems to be a symptom of congenital irresponsibility. Constructed as a romance of sorts, the film begins with Vigo (Frain) meeting his future wife Lydu (Bohringer) in an alpine sanatorium, whisking her off to marriage and motherhood in Nice, and then abandoning her to his career. While Frain strikes a boyish, charismatic note, and Bohranger brings her trademark pursed soulfulness to Lydu, they're surrounded by as excruciating a contingent of channel-hopping Frenchmen as you'll find this side of TV's 'Allo, 'Allo.
And, yes, this review is far from perfect too in its summation of the man & his films!... Read Salles Gomes' book instead, for a proper attempt at a biog, written in 1957 but still the best source to date...
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#67 Post by Noiretirc »

I experienced L'Atalante just once many years ago and was underwhelmed. But I got this set recently anyway and Zero De Conduite just blew me away tonight. The influence on Truffaut and 400 Blows is obvious, but surely Fellini (and even Kubrick) bowed to this? There's a slomo scene towards the end involving white robes, feathers, a penis, smirks, triumph, and the scene basically sums up all of Fellini in 20 seconds. How Vigo got all of those kids to do those faces in that short scene is something that I will marvel at for years to come. Zero De Conduite is an endlessly fascinating little film.

I look forward to a L'Atalante redo.
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#68 Post by Trees »

Well-written thoughts, HerrSchreck. You have some of the best posts on this forum, at least in terms of what I have come across.

I've been on a French-movie binge for about a week and finally saw L'Atalante. I greatly enjoyed the film. At several points I was laughing out loud. I immediately then watched Zéro de Conduite, and -- wow. These films are filled with unimaginable energy.

Zero is pure cinematic joy.

Vigo almost reminds me of writer Nikolai Gogol, in terms of their impacts on their respective art forms.
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Trees wrote:Well-written thoughts, HerrSchreck. You have some of the best posts on this forum, at least in terms of what I have come across.

I've been on a French-movie binge for about a week and finally saw L'Atalante. I greatly enjoyed the film. At several points I was laughing out loud. I immediately then watched Zéro de Conduite, and -- wow. These films are filled with unimaginable energy.

Zero is pure cinematic joy.

Vigo almost reminds me of writer Nikolai Gogol, in terms of their impacts on their respective art forms.
Nice to hear you enjoyed them! L'Atalante might just be my favourite movie ever, and the Vigo Blu-ray is my most cherished treasure in my collection.
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#70 Post by Trees »

Criterion must be loudly applauded for this release!
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#71 Post by Gregory »

My brief Vigo "story," if anyone's interested, is that I not only loved L'Atalante the first time I saw it but it made me love cinema more. That may seem like a banal thing to say about a Great Film, but I couldn't say it even about many of my other favorites. It came along for me at the perfect time—with a tiny fraction of what's available being accessible back then of course. I quickly bought P.E. Salles Gomes's book and began reading about Vigo's father, the anarchist/antimilitarist Miguel Almereyda, and then was saddened by reading all about the shabby way the film was treated and how even Le Chaland qui passe was a failure. What was even sadder was the realization that a definitive restoration will never be possible, and how Vigo had likely died to make L'Atalante (his health was already poor of course) but lived long enough to feel some degree of regret about having done so largely due to the horrible treatment of the film. There was the postwar "rediscovery" and all that, but it's still such a tragic loss.
I read about his previous films too but don't think I got to see them until the Artificial Eye set came out. I think they're all still underrated today, to a great extent probably just because they're shorts. Even Zero for Conduct (which has a respectable enough place on the TSPDT list) is undervalued. If I were doing a ballot for the current Films of Youth list, that one would likely be my top choice. Rewatching Zero for Conduct and L'Atalante both again and again brings out fresh details every time. And A Propos de Nice especially is underrated.
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#72 Post by AK »

Thanks for that, Gregory! I'd say that this sense of the bittersweet that comes through your writing also permeates my relationship with Vigo's films. Hardly ever is the idea of "what might have been" in my mind as strongly as with these films. I often watch these through tears, both of joy and sadness, surely. And the exuberant life that's in L'Atalante is all the more precious and amazing knowing that the film was made by a dying man. And seeing Vigo in À Propos de Nice always affects me.

(Not that it necessarily adds anything to the discussion, but this is what I wrote about the films some years ago.)
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#73 Post by remy »

I heard this morning on the French national radio that Gaumont had done a new restoration of L'Atalante, and that it is supposed to play at the La Rochelle film festival in July.

There was quite a bit of controversy (and differences) between the 1990 (Bompoint/Philippe) and the 2000 (Eisenschitz) restorations, the former being longer but with guesses around Vigo's intentions, the latter being closer to the first edit by Louis Chavance. Vigo apparently was not satisfied with that first edit, but didn't live to make a more satisfactory one.

I'm curious to how this new restoration will be handled. My guess is that it may be an update of the Eisenschitz version. A quick web search didn't return much, any input is welcome!
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#74 Post by hearthesilence »

remy wrote:I'm curious to how this new restoration will be handled. My guess is that it may be an update of the Eisenschitz version. A quick web search didn't return much, any input is welcome!
It's showing at Cannes Classics, and the press release says:

Presented by Gaumont, la Cinémathèque française and The Film Foundation of Martin Scorsese. First digital restoration in 4k and conversion to a 35mm print. A new discovery of the closest version of the director’s work thanks to Gaumont, Luce Vigo and historian Bernard Eisenschitz. Restoration carried out at L’Image Retrouvée laboratory in Bologna and Paris.

I found this elsewhere:

Gaumont, La Cinematheque Francaise, and Martin Scorsese’s non-profit organization, The Film Foundation, have collaborated for the first time to restore Jean Vigo’s masterpiece, « L’Atalante ». For this ambitious project, the partners enlisted scholar Bernard Eisenschitz, who had previously worked on two earlier restorations of « L’Atalante ». The director’s daughter, Luce Vigo, also provided invaluable assistance.

This is the first 4K digital restoration of the film and the goal was to stay true to the director’s original work, referencing vintage prints, earlier photochemical restorations and negatives. The restoration was carried out by L’Immagine Ritrovata in Bologna and Paris.

Thanks to the collaboration of numerous cinematheques (La Cinematheque Francaise, Cineteca Italiana in Milan, BFI National Film Archive, Cinémathèque Royale de Belgique) that loaned their prints, a frame-by-frame comparison from several different versions was completed to note scene variations. Using the edge codes, the film stocks were dated to choose the earliest and best version for the 4K scan.

The same workflow was utilized for the sound restoration; comparison of all the elements to obtain the best audio quality. It was especially important to respect the integrity of the original score by Maurice Jaubert.

With this restoration, Gaumont, Luce Vigo, who passed away on February 12th, and Bernard Eisenschitz, completed many years of research on the existing film material, writings, documents, and testimonies, always staying faithful to the intentions of Jean Vigo.

The restored version of « L’Atalante », will be screened as part of this year’s Cannes Classics. In addition, Gaumont and The Film Foundation are joining forces to restore three other Vigo titles (Zero de conduite, A propos de Nice, Taris).

Here's what's also been reported:

Gaumont’s main interest in this new version is to present a 4K DCP of the film, but, in partnership with Kodak, L’Atalante will also be available as a brand new 35mm print. This 35mm print will be shown at Cannes Classics in a couple weeks, and in September at the Cinemathèque Française. To Gaumont’s surprise, the existence of a film print of this new restoration has produced considerable excitement among potential programmers, including both festivals and repertory cinemas. Although it is common practice for Gaumont to make a 35mm print at the end of a restoration process, this print is usually meant for archival purposes, and not for distribution. Considering the iconic status of L’Atalante, they decided to also offer the possibility to show the brand new version on film.
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#75 Post by jegharfangetmigenmyg »

I haven't seen it mentioned in here, but apparently Gaumont's new 4K restorations have already been released as a boxed set in Japan early this year. However, I can't find any information regarding the subtitles. Are they only available in Japanese? I guess we can be pretty certain that English subtitles won't be included on the future French release...

The set is listed on Amazon.jp here without any detailed information regardring the subtitles: https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B0764MB59K/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I find it a bit puzzling that the whole artwork is in French. It looks like a French box released in Japan by mistake.

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