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Grand Illusion · Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:39 am

Good bye. Nothing to make you think about your own mortality like the death of a prominent atheist thinker. Now, I'm depressed.

dx23 · #2977 Post by **dx23** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:30 pm

This is really sad news to wake up to. Like many of you, I really loved his debates on religion. Today we lost one of the good ones.

perkizitore · #2978 Post by **perkizitore** » Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:47 am

Joe Simon

kinjitsu · #2979 Post by **kinjitsu** » Sat Dec 17, 2011 7:58 pm

Singer Cesária Évora

MichaelB · #2980 Post by **MichaelB** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 11:57 am

Václav Havel - only a few months after his film directing debut, though of course his wider cultural influence on his native country is pretty much incalculable.

Minkin · #2981 Post by **Minkin** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 2:50 pm

MichaelB wrote:Václav Havel

Rather sad. I'll remember him best for Citizen Vaclav Havel goes on vacation

jbeall · #2982 Post by **jbeall** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:40 pm

MichaelB wrote:Václav Havel - only a few months after his film directing debut, though of course his wider cultural influence on his native country is pretty much incalculable.

Havel and Masaryk tower over the Czech twentieth century. Havel was flawed man (who isn't?), but an utterly remarkable man, too. He's pretty much the opposite of every politician we have in the US.

I imagine the state funeral will draw crowds that rival even the legendary turnout for Masaryk's funeral.

colinr0380 · #2983 Post by **colinr0380** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:50 pm

During some interviews on the BBC News earlier there was some discussion of the way that Havel was on 'shakier ground in the modern era of realpolitik'. I think that they meant it as a criticism but it actually seemed like quite a compliment!

#2984 Post by **mfunk9786** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:14 am

Kim Jong-Il

knives · #2985 Post by **knives** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:23 am

Have I just been 'rick-rolled'?

Edit: Legit news source

#2986 Post by **mfunk9786** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:35 am

More information

Cinephrenic · #2987 Post by **Cinephrenic** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 5:24 am

Expect war anytime.

Saturnome · #2988 Post by **Saturnome** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:44 am

Who's going to look at things now?

And now maybe a 27(?) years old dictator will help the country go over the communist-bloc synth disco it's stuck in.

Duncan Hopper · #2989 Post by **Duncan Hopper** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:32 am

Don Sharp

Polybius · #2990 Post by **Polybius** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:35 am

At least Havel's safe from ever being visited by Norman Podhoretz again.

MichaelB · #2991 Post by **MichaelB** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:45 am

Saturnome wrote:Who's going to look at things now?

Kim Jong-Un.

And now maybe a 27(?) years old dictator will help the country go over the communist-bloc synth disco it's stuck in.

Or maybe not. Since China has a very strong interest in North Korea remaining as a functioning entity (since they neither want a flood of refugees over the border or a unified and US-backed Seoul-run Korea), the chances are very strong indeed that next to nothing will happen.

I remember when Kim Jong-Il took over in 1994, to the same speculation about reform. If anything, he's been far worse than his father.

Obviously, I've rarely been keener to be proved wrong, but pessimism would seem to be the sensible reaction for now.

Saturnome · #2992 Post by **Saturnome** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:30 am

I meant the actual music if I wasn't clear. I don't think anything else will happen. Except spend whatever 2$ is left in their bank for some gigantic funerals.

colinr0380 · #2993 Post by **colinr0380** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:35 am

Come on everyone, lets get to the real issues - what might become of his reputedly enormous collection of films?

MichaelB · #2994 Post by **MichaelB** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:02 am

Sky News had a rather effective bit of editing - they showed the puppet Kim Jong-Il singing "I'm so ronery" for just long enough for us to have a good laugh, and then cut to visibly starving North Korean children. Which made the point that he really wasn't that funny better than any number of finger-wagging verbal lectures.

That said, I'd have preferred it if my six-year-old daughter hadn't been in the room at the time.

ellipsis7 · #2995 Post by **ellipsis7** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:01 pm

Farewell Kim Jong-il, cinematic icon from The Guardian

MyNameCriterionForum · Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:20 pm

Wait, which Kardashian was he married to again?

Antares · #2997 Post by **Antares** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:48 pm

Dan Frazer

whaleallright · #2998 Post by **whaleallright** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:24 pm

There's more to Kim Jong-Il's cinema connection than his huge video collection. He also had one of South Korea's major directors kidnapped, so that he could make films that would earn North Korea glory. Here's an excerpt from one of the movies he made there, before escaping his handlers in Europe.

yoshimori · #2999 Post by **yoshimori** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:01 am

The greatest director of the past thirty years -- Morita Yoshimitsu -- has died at age 61.

Michael Kerpan · Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:12 pm

I was surprised at how young Morita was -- I always assumed he was a good bit older than I was....

Only moderately liked his work, but still a very sad thing.

I'm still grieving the loss of Shinji Somai (who died too young over 10 years ago) and Jun Ichikawa (who died too young 3 years ago).

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