The Hateful Eight (Quentin Tarantino, 2015)

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Re: The Hateful Eight (Quentin Tarantino, 2015)

#126 Post by GaryC »

bearcuborg wrote:The last time I saw something in 70mm was Samsara, then before that was Playtime in 2004 or so. I didn't make the effort to see Avatar in 70mm, which I still regret.
I wasn't aware Samsara was released in 70mm, though it was certainly shot in 65mm. (I saw Baraka in 70mm when it was released in London.) Similarly, Sunset Song (65mm for exteriors, digital for interiors - and the difference in resolution was quite obvious to me when I saw it) was released digital-only.

I did see The Master in 70mm, though saw Interstellar in 15/70 IMAX (there was a 70mm print in the UK). According to in70mm.com, Hateful Eight will be on at the Odeon Leicester Square and "four other UK cinemas" in 70mm when it opens next month.
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#127 Post by movielocke »

hanshotfirst1138 wrote:
bearcuborg wrote:Well, Crem's shtick aside - I'll say this, I'm as excited to see this in a great big theater. So I'll be checking this thread for everyone's take on the best possible venue.

The last time I saw something in 70mm was Samsara, then before that was Playtime in 2004 or so. I didn't make the effort to see Avatar in 70mm, which I still regret.
Cameron is on the "film is dead" bandwagon, I thought that Avatar didn't even have any prints struck? Was it a 15/70 IMAX print?
Avatar had 35mm and imax prints struck it was 6 years ago. Digital imax in imax ratio and 2.39:1 dcp and 1.85:1 dcp were provided to theatres based on the size of their largest screen. Incredibly complex deliverables for avatar.
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#128 Post by Stefan Andersson »

More info about soundtrack selections in The Hateful Eight - specifically, music not included on the album (scroll down)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hateful_Eight_(soundtrack" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)

MOD EDIT: Removed link to leaked screenplay. Do not post links to this on this forum, thank you.
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GaryC wrote:
bearcuborg wrote:The last time I saw something in 70mm was Samsara, then before that was Playtime in 2004 or so. I didn't make the effort to see Avatar in 70mm, which I still regret.
I wasn't aware Samsara was released in 70mm, though it was certainly shot in 65mm. (I saw Baraka in 70mm when it was released in London.) Similarly, Sunset Song (65mm for exteriors, digital for interiors - and the difference in resolution was quite obvious to me when I saw it) was released digital-only.

I did see The Master in 70mm, though saw Interstellar in 15/70 IMAX (there was a 70mm print in the UK). According to in70mm.com, Hateful Eight will be on at the Odeon Leicester Square and "four other UK cinemas" in 70mm when it opens next month.
As far as I know, there were no 70mm prints ever made for SAMSARA. The film was scanned at 8K and the DI was finished at 4K digital at Fotokem. I saw it projected on a Sony 4K projector and it was glorious. Will be even better on these new 4K laser projectors from Barco/IMAX.
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#130 Post by Dylan »

Tarantino & Morricone Settle The Score With Hateful Eight

Tarantino: "[Morricone] gave me a horror movie score, to some degrees a Giallo score, complete with a diabolical music box that comes in from time to time. It was perfect for the movie."

Sounds brilliant.
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#132 Post by DarkImbecile »

Also, full roadshow bookings available here; very excited (and surprised) that one of my local theaters that will be featuring the 70mm version.
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#133 Post by carmilla mircalla »

I honestly can't remember a movie being released on New Year's Eve. isn't that a terrible plan?
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#134 Post by Professor Wagstaff »

I don't think it's a terrible plan. Going to the movies is a nice alternative to New Year's Eve parties. Also theatres are usually busy on New Year's Day.
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#135 Post by carmilla mircalla »

Professor Wagstaff wrote:I don't think it's a terrible plan. Going to the movies is a nice alternative to New Year's Eve parties. Also theatres are usually busy on New Year's Day.
actually yeah, I guess it doesn't make a huge difference that it comes out a day earlier since the new year's day crowds will still be in full force.
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#136 Post by Ribs »

I think the main concern was overlapping business with the Revenant considering they're both 3-hour long snowy Westerns appealing to the same demo. I do believe in the "people will see every movie they want to see no matter if they open at the same time" but these two movies are way too similar.

(And I'm modestly bitter that with Carol continuing its crazy crazy slow expansion, Weinstein just can't wait for this one to get out there and pushes it up a week)
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#137 Post by hearthesilence »

The embargo is supposedly still in effect, but a few reviews have been published from places like The Guardian and Business Insider (of all places). They're effusive in their praise so I doubt the producers mind. Still, The Hateful Eight failed to place very well in the year-end polls despite strong showings in a few smaller categories (over at IndieWire, it didn't even make the cut for the top 50 films, but it was #8 in cinematography, #2 for score - two things I actually did like about the movie), so I wonder if this is going to be a polarizing film after all?
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#139 Post by mfunk9786 »

Seems to come down to not fulfilling a contractual obligation on the part of the Arclight and really shitty business practices on the part of Disney. I wouldn't be surprised to see this quickly resolved now that it's out in the open.

Ignatiy Vishnevetsky's predictably well-written, thoughtful review

Sounds like this is an experiment in stretching scenes like the card game bar basement standoff in Inglourious Basterds and the climactic dinner in Django Unchained out to one big feature length tension-build, and if that's the case, sign me up.
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#140 Post by FrauBlucher »

Like Weinstein has always played above the boards.
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#141 Post by mfunk9786 »

And that has what to do with Arclight needing to fulfill its contractual obligation to screen this film?
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#142 Post by FrauBlucher »

From what I heard it was only a handshake agreement, which is not binding.
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#143 Post by hearthesilence »

mfunk9786 wrote:Sounds like this is an experiment in stretching scenes like the card game bar basement standoff in Inglourious Basterds...out to one big feature length tension-build.
I thought that was one of Tarantino's great set pieces. I just wish the film actually lived up to this speculative description.

Also:
And in a finale reminiscent of Pulp Fiction’s enigmatic endpoint...one of the few really moving scenes in Tarantino’s highly stylized body of work.
Tarantino definitely tried to craft something moving, but to me it felt pretty strained after the rest of the film descended into self-parody, which I can elaborate on later.
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hearthesilence wrote:The embargo is supposedly still in effect, but a few reviews have been published from places like The Guardian and Business Insider (of all places). They're effusive in their praise so I doubt the producers mind. Still, The Hateful Eight failed to place very well in the year-end polls despite strong showings in a few smaller categories (over at IndieWire, it didn't even make the cut for the top 50 films, but it was #8 in cinematography, #2 for score - two things I actually did like about the movie), so I wonder if this is going to be a polarizing film after all?
Pretty sure they waived the embargo early to get some coverage before Star Wars suffocates everything for a month.
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#145 Post by hearthesilence »

A long embargo did look silly with Star Wars on the horizon.
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#146 Post by hearthesilence »

Apparently they did waive the embargo early - all the major trades were contacted and given the green light to publish their reviews about a week ago, and soon after everyone else jumped in.

My memory of this film isn't that fresh anymore - watching at least a dozen of films in the interim and the fact I didn't like it really didn't help - but I still remember my impressions pretty well, if not all the specifics.

The film is broken up into two parts by an intermission, something studios should consider re-instating for any 3-hour epic. Honestly, a 10-minute break makes a big difference, I was grateful for that. You come back even more focused.

The first half was surprisingly boring, the material just never ignited. It "looked" excellent, the cast was fine, the wall-to-wall dialogue also carried you along, but it kind of felt like a less-than-interesting pastiche of Tarantino's past work. The style was there, but it just wasn't compelling. My disappointment grew when it came to the first half's closing payoff,
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where Samuel L. Jackson baits Bruce Dern into attempting murder, thus giving Jackson a barely-passable legal excuse to shoot him down.
The intent and the outcome is completely telegraphed as soon as
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Jackson places that gun next to Dern.
I didn't mind that it was predictable because what really mattered to me was the story he was about to tell.
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Instead, the goading payoff - that he had Dern's son give him a blow job at gunpoint - was just stupid.
I love the juvenile jokes in Tarantino's films because they're done with wonderful panache, but in this case it had the inspiration of a typical middle schooler.

There were a few interesting bits.
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Jackson's fake letter from Lincoln opened up some discussion on what something like that does for a black man, but I don't think it had the profound implications some of the film's biggest champions have claimed. It was appreciated, but honestly, I felt like the ideas had been given much better explorations in many other Westerns.
One thing that did bother me a bit was
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the repeated physical violence towards Jennifer Jason Leigh's character. I'd have to revisit all of his films again, but this may have been the first time where I was bothered by something like this in his movies. The intention seems clearly - they're supposed to be humorous moments - but the execution this time around bothered me. Maybe it's the way it plays out when you're first introduced to this woman - before you even know who she is, you see her with a really battered face. It's implied she's a terrible criminal with a huge bounty on her head - you aren't told why, it's pretty much given she's a horrible human being, but she's then repeatedly beat up right in the face by these cool, swaggering, boastful men, and the whole thing just rubbed me wrong way. Later on in the film, the violence becomes ridiculously cartoonish as it involves someone vomiting an unrealistic amount of blood into her face and other things of that nature, and at that point I was able to accept it as over-the-top farce, but in these less ludicrous early scenes, it did get under my skin.
With the second part of the film, things did pick up, and I did start to enjoy it
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from the start of the second half to Jackson getting ambushed by a hidden Channing Tatum.
I can't remember, but it may have been at this point that the running gag with the door did get funny for a while after a very slow start (though it did get really tiresome again).

But things took a turn for the worse when we jump back to the past. For a while, one of the most enjoyable elements of Tarantino's films was their chronological structure. Pulp Fiction is still the best example of this. But with this film and his last film, Django Unchained, he's made these jumps in time that haven't worked at all. With Django Unchained, it felt really clumsy, and at the time I wondered if it had something to do with the loss of his great editor, Sally Menke - that film felt unusually flabby as well. This time around, my reaction was different.
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After Jackson's ambush, we go back and see how the place got taken over. In general, this whole sequence felt completely unnecessary - I don't think the film would've missed anything that was truly vital. I really wonder how the dynamic would've been had it been omitted altogether, because having it in does dispose of any mystery remaining in the film from that point on. Far worse is that it did play in a way that felt very distasteful. What really sticks out is the dynamic created by this scene's chronological placement - we're just waiting to see these people get brutally slaughtered. It's really the whole point of this jump back in time. We know they're going to be killed from the very start, it's only a matter of when, and it just made every second feel like disgusting forced voyeurism. It was suggested earlier that hey, that's the point - we don't flinch from this stuff, we're going to see how terrible these killers are. It didn't really play that way for me - even if it's not the intention, it felt pretty sadistic and left a bad taste in my mouth. It actually recalled for me one of the most problematic shots of Inglorious Basterds, which I'll discuss a bit later. The killers in The Hateful Eight may be terrible men, but we just spent a few hours getting to know these people as cool and charismatic individuals, and as the music swells up, they swagger over, looming over the camera before brutally blowing away their victims. Again, the same people we've been waiting to die for the whole scene, and of course the last time we see them alive is sniveling and crying in immense pain. I would like to argue that this is an intentionally horrific perspective at a terrible moment, that it's a brilliant display of a cold, brutal killing that really says something about violence, but that just didn't get across for me. I just felt repulsed. Why are you guys really showing us this?
And this brings me to another problem with this film that again recalls Inglorious Basterds (and for that matter a lot of Tarantino's more recent work). That problematic shot I mentioned was the close-up reaction of Eli Roth as he's firing an assault rifle from a balcony, gunning down the audience in the movie theater, like a mass slaughter of cattle. The saving grace is that they're Nazis. I actually thought that film was very good, and there was much about it that I thought was great. But Inglorious Basterds still bothers me as a film that put a lot of stock into revenge, in that case trying to match or even top the Nazis when it came to sadism. Revenge is more than plot motivation, it's been the general point of his most recent films, and it just feels really empty to me. He may change the context each time out, and I would like to say that doing so made a profound difference in his last three films, but I don't think it has. They all feel centered on the same narrow philosophy, and it isn't edifying to me.

Some reviews are boasting that the movie is making some great statement on U.S. history and race relations, but that really seems like a stretch. If it does well, at least it's a film that was done by an auteur without compromises - that's very rare now, especially for a film of this budget and scope. And it's now the poster boy for saving celluloid. I really wish the film itself rose beyond the level of these causes.
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#147 Post by Zot! »

Some reviews are boasting that the movie is making some great statement on U.S. history and race relations, but that really seems like a stretch.
. I believe that is QT himself making that claim, unequivocally.
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#148 Post by hearthesilence »

Not surprising. I pretty much stopped watching his interviews because they're now diminishing my appreciation for his films. He talks about his work like he's his own biggest fanboy.
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#149 Post by Trees »

hearthesilence wrote:Not surprising. I pretty much stopped watching his interviews because they're now diminishing my appreciation for his films. He talks about his work like he's his own biggest fanboy.
Maybe Quentin should try the Terrence Malick approach to PR. :D
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#150 Post by hearthesilence »

Just found out that Jonathan Rosenbaum gave this an F, saying it was "repulsive on every level." So at least one person may have hated it even more.
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