The Snowman (Thomas Alfredson, 2017)

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Re: The Snowman (Thomas Alfredson, 2017)

#26 Post by therewillbeblus » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:43 pm

I know I'm the outlier in disliking Tinker Tailor, and having read and loved the book there's definitely some bias there, but the film seems very interested in themes rooted in blindness, confusion, and doubt specifically pertaining to spinning narratives of character motivation, and it both tries and fails to explore this in my opinion.

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Re: The Snowman (Thomas Alfredson, 2017)

#27 Post by JabbaTheSlut » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:54 pm

Mr Sausage wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:13 pm
He’s making a correlation = causation mistake, isn’t he? Two good films have the same DP, a bad one doesn’t. Bingo, we know the cause! Nevermind that production problems resulted in a film that wasn’t even finished, it must all be down to the DP. Not the director, who organizes what’s being filmed; not the editor, the person who actually assembles the narrative; not the 20% of the story yet to be shot. The DP.
You idiot. I did not say that.

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Re: The Snowman (Thomas Alfredson, 2017)

#28 Post by knives » Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:01 pm

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Re: The Snowman (Thomas Alfredson, 2017)

#29 Post by JabbaTheSlut » Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:03 pm

knives wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:20 pm
That may be true in this case, but I do think that it’s fair to say that for Nolan the switch has caused a different visual style with lighting in particular changing as well as shot distance and amount of handheld used.
Yes, and if you look at Tinker Tailor and Let the right one in, the shots are very precise and set-ups per scene very economical. E.g. dolly tracking is used for dramatic purposes very sparingly and in precise moments. In comparison The Snowman is doing for example the horizontal slide tracking shot compulsively (among other crimes well pointed out in the youtube-autopsy linked a few posts ago).

Also Nolan, as you pointed out, his favourite telephoto lens, hand held, shoddy editing chaos of Pfister films is gone. The Hoytema films are geographically and spatially more coherent and clear.

But as pointed out, it's the director, DoP, editor, set designer, make-up, the script + every other department that makes the whole. And the director of course should have the vision of it. But. Could it possibly be that the vision of the DoP could also be of great importance?
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Re: The Snowman (Thomas Alfredson, 2017)

#30 Post by JabbaTheSlut » Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:03 pm

knives wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:01 pm
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Ahah.

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Re: The Snowman (Thomas Alfredson, 2017)

#31 Post by domino harvey » Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:19 pm

JabbaTheSlut wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:54 pm
Mr Sausage wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:13 pm
He’s making a correlation = causation mistake, isn’t he? Two good films have the same DP, a bad one doesn’t. Bingo, we know the cause! Nevermind that production problems resulted in a film that wasn’t even finished, it must all be down to the DP. Not the director, who organizes what’s being filmed; not the editor, the person who actually assembles the narrative; not the 20% of the story yet to be shot. The DP.
You idiot. I did not say that.
Well, based solely on what you did just say, you’re gone, so

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Re: The Snowman (Thomas Alfredson, 2017)

#32 Post by therewillbeblus » Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:23 pm

This bad movie is tearing us apart

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Re: The Snowman (Thomas Alfredson, 2017)

#33 Post by Mr Sausage » Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:37 pm

Huh. After posting, I actually imagined him blowing his gasket at my post and getting banned. Don't know why. Must be psychic.

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Re: The Snowman (Thomas Alfredson, 2017)

#34 Post by therewillbeblus » Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:44 pm

Or you made him do it with telekinesis, issuing total control- making you the DP of the forum.

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Re: The Snowman (Thomas Alfredson, 2017)

#35 Post by Monterey Jack » Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:23 am

therewillbeblus wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:23 pm
This bad movie is tearing us apart
...Lisa!

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