White Noise (Noah Baumbach, 2022)

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Re: White Noise (Noah Baumbach, 2022)

#26 Post by Black Hat » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:03 pm

Man that's exquisite hyperbole, but I don't see the bar for that being that high even if I agreed. I don't find his assholes really all that interesting. I think they're nerds who managed to achieve something but never really got over being a nerd and are taking it out on everyone, which basically has been the dominant sensibility of American artists from the last 20, 30 years. To take the asshole part one step further while it doesn't exist in film so much it dominates television space, the whole garbage that's replaced cinema thanks to this stupid recap culture called 'prestige tv'.

TWB - I'm on the other side. I see his stuff as excusing the negative traits by using his talent for narrative and as DH pointed out, witty dialogue to disguise, if not romanticize, the bullshit.

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Re: White Noise (Noah Baumbach, 2022)

#27 Post by domino harvey » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:08 pm

Would it really be a domino harvey post without the world's greatest hyperbole of all time?

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Re: White Noise (Noah Baumbach, 2022)

#28 Post by Black Hat » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:14 pm

ha... it doesn't usually go in a positive direction tho.... some of your sentiments in the lombard thread were especially hilarious

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Re: White Noise (Noah Baumbach, 2022)

#29 Post by therewillbeblus » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:15 pm

Interesting, to use a few examples, I think he exposes the worst in Greenberg's titular character in the last act, as the kind of anti-linear development found in real life, and Margot at the Wedding's characters are certainly in no way absolved of their very jarring and harmful defects. Even in Marriage Story, which is one of my least favorite works of his, he establishes his surrogate as the protagonist with seemingly warranted self-pity and then turns on himself to show how his selfish narrative clouded any other perspective and drove his self-preserving yet harmful actions. As domino says he uses a skilled methodology to construct such narcissistic tunnel vision as the presentation in the film's earlier sections before emerging from it and granting us the same process of peripheral awareness, though it's not to absolve himself or us and more to critique such self-delusions.

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Re: White Noise (Noah Baumbach, 2022)

#30 Post by knives » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:20 pm

Isn’t Marriage Story at least in part about the lie of Manhattan exceptionalism?

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Re: White Noise (Noah Baumbach, 2022)

#31 Post by The Narrator Returns » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:35 pm

therewillbeblus wrote:
Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:15 pm
Interesting, to use a few examples, I think he exposes the worst in Greenberg's titular character in the last act, as the kind of anti-linear development found in real life, and Margot at the Wedding's characters are certainly in no way absolved of their very jarring and harmful defects. Even in Marriage Story, which is one of my least favorite works of his, he establishes his surrogate as the protagonist with seemingly warranted self-pity and then turns on himself to show how his selfish narrative clouded any other perspective and drove his self-preserving yet harmful actions. As domino says he uses a skilled methodology to construct such narcissistic tunnel vision as the presentation in the film's earlier sections before emerging from it and granting us the same process of peripheral awareness, though it's not to absolve himself or us and more to critique such self-delusions.
Even the Gerwig collaborations, which are sweeter than the preceding Baumbachs in a way that I know turns some people here off (I think they're both terrific, Mistress America is my favorite thing Baumbach's ever done), are pretty unflinching in how they study seemingly charming people digging themselves into holes they may never be able to fully get out of. To go off Black Hat's complaint about Baumbach's "witty dialogue" disguising his characters' faults, Frances Ha is about a character who thinks that a well-timed witty line will make everything work out, when in reality it doesn't and it often just gets her in deeper trouble than before.

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Re: White Noise (Noah Baumbach, 2022)

#32 Post by Black Hat » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:41 pm

Maybe it's because I've seen Ben Stiller be ornery at Film Forum one too many times but I just couldn't deal with Greenberg. Haven't seen Margot and I think Knives in a sense is right but like with so much garbage that's been romanticized about NYC through popular culture I saw it the other way both within my initial response along and under the influence with that of my peer group who nearly all loved it. After completely relating to it the first time around I really turned on Marriage Story upon second viewing after a divorcee friend of mine, who I thought for sure would love it, tore it apart in between.

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Re: White Noise (Noah Baumbach, 2022)

#33 Post by Black Hat » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:47 pm

The Narrator Returns wrote:
Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:35 pm
To go off Black Hat's complaint about Baumbach's "witty dialogue" disguising his characters' faults, Frances Ha is about a character who thinks that a well-timed witty line will make everything work out, when in reality it doesn't and it often just gets her in deeper trouble than before.
Yeah because she's a moron who thinks being an annoying moron is cute and quirky, art house Broad City. I covered my feelings on Frances Ha in the appropriate thread, I don't think there's a film of recent memory I found more offensive.

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Re: White Noise (Noah Baumbach, 2022)

#34 Post by Black Hat » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:50 pm

By offensive I don't mean inaccurate, it was certainly true to a certain type of reality. My problem with that movie is that all the banality was treated with reverence, something to celebrate and that was what offended me.

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