Vinegar Syndrome et al.

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Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

#776 Post by dwk » Fri May 27, 2022 12:56 pm

I haven't seen the They Call Her One Eye cut, but I think the difference is mostly the removal of the hardcore inserts and the eye gouging.

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#777 Post by therewillbeblus » Fri May 27, 2022 7:21 pm

Cool, well just to record some thoughts on Thriller- A Cruel Picture, I absolutely loved it. This is maybe the best rape revenge movie I've ever seen, yet not for reasons typically fawned over in the subgenre. For instance, I don't think any of the actual 'revenge' portions are particularly well orchestrated or cathartic- the slow-motion is overdone and takes away from the brutality. Though this adds to the vibe of the film and complements why I think it's so wonderful. It's such a deliberately paced, fearless piece of music- a silent movie where words mean nothing and action means everything; the main character doesn't speak, her abusers hardly do either, and communication written in letter form carries more devastating consequences than anything verbalized aloud. There is a meditation on powerlessness through these actions- she has no ability to alleviate trauma or correct the words of the letter with a release of speech, or any influence on her life.

And action cannot be undone, so when the vengeance fails to stimulate us the way the relentlessly-detailed and attentive rendition of her torturous life has, it's completely in step with the film's ethos: That brutality is not sexy. It's a thing that a person does to another person, and as an appropriate pathology of a person living with trauma, it's sensible that Christina Lindberg would be conditioned to do that. There's no emotion in her actions' executions, just a girl who's doing to others what's been done to her. The film could even be viewed as a coming-of-age movie where a traumatized woman senses that she's growing up and engages with the adults in her life who raised her based on how she's been taught to show love! The filmmaker has the audacity to portray her intentions and affect with the same vast distance she feels from her own sense of self- and yet, conversely, dutifully pulls us painfully close to show us this isolation, again- though by a different metric- forcibly containing us at the same non-distance she's allowed to get from the savagery intruding on her existence.

Although I stated that the first two thirds of this film have been "stimulating," I should clarify that I'm not suggesting this has been pornographically arousing, but -like the best thrillers- a completely dedicated combed-through beat-by-beat engulfment into the protagonist's experience without ever 'knowing' her. The banal process she engages in is like the noir principals who have a singular existential purpose except this character isn't even a character; isn't even a person. Those men may have felt a lack of identity, but she really has none- any opportunity at developing one has been taken from her, as we've witnessed time and time again. The film is incredibly tragic but it's so shamelessly perceptive to physicality that we maintain an invested envelopment rather than repulsive desertion from such tragic stimuli. The wind blowing that precedes the final confrontation, the rote process of acquiring artillery, the suffocating echoes of moans and screams swirled up in her breath accelerating... it's hauntingly captivating as a thriller, even if the content is a cruel picture.

This is a living, breathing machine of a movie, an exploitation film on alienation, Wes Craven leaning into Antonioni. It's a meditative inversion on genre where corporeal cruelty and ethereal observations merge in their compromised form to quietly wail at empty space for the irrevocable horrors permeating innocent lives for no discernible spiritual reason. It's a Polanski-quality economically-paced thriller, a respectfully alert social horror, a profoundly anti-psychological ballad of the miserable trapped in philosophical wastelands, and a reflexively engaging character study that subverts this very idea in devotion to its protagonist's level. Few films meet their vehicles where they're at, and when they do to such tremendously layered degrees as this does, they deserve to be celebrated.

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#778 Post by dwk » Fri May 27, 2022 8:39 pm

They have a listing up for the standard UHD release of Thriller and it does include both the Blu-rays from the limited edition set (so the only thing missing is the UHD version of the They Call Her One Eye cut and the fancy packaging) and is $20 cheaper (MSRP is actually $30 less than the limited edition.)

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#779 Post by Yakushima » Fri May 27, 2022 8:52 pm

therewillbeblus wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 11:29 am
Yakushima wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 12:11 am
I highly recommend Grandmother's House.
What do you like about it?
Everything! It's very atmospheric, the characters are engaging, and Len Lesser (of Seinfeld's fame) is always a joy to watch.

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#780 Post by therewillbeblus » Fri May 27, 2022 9:23 pm

dwk wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 8:39 pm
They have a listing up for the standard UHD release of Thriller and it does include both the Blu-rays from the limited edition set (so the only thing missing is the UHD version of the They Call Her One Eye cut and the fancy packaging) and is $20 cheaper (MSRP is actually $30 less than the limited edition.)
Awesome, this looks about as cheap as these films get on DD et al. too, so probably worth picking up now. As is obvious from my above rave, I can't recommend this release highly enough- though more as an evocative mood piece than a cathartic revenge one!

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#781 Post by swo17 » Sat May 28, 2022 2:36 pm

dwk wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 8:39 pm
They have a listing up for the standard UHD release of Thriller and it does include both the Blu-rays from the limited edition set (so the only thing missing is the UHD version of the They Call Her One Eye cut and the fancy packaging) and is $20 cheaper (MSRP is actually $30 less than the limited edition.)
It's a moot point deciding between the two versions, because the limited edition of 10,000 is apparently already sold out

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#782 Post by black&huge » Sat May 28, 2022 2:39 pm

The listing for the LE now says that select retailers will have the LE in stock by next week which I kinda already knew. I actually did the flash preorder back in March but had it cancelled via email earlier this week because I can have it sooner being a non subber and I don't mind paying $5 or $10 more to get it from Orbit

I did the same thing last year with flesh for frankenstein and indeed got it sooner than if I had kept my order directly with VS

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#783 Post by swo17 » Sat May 28, 2022 5:26 pm

The Elegant Dandy Fop wrote:
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Altered Innocence's adult film releases have been phenomenal so far. I knew nothing about Arthur J. Bressan, but decided to take a risk when I saw the Ask Any Buddy crew and specifically Elizabeth Purcell, who ianthemovie just mentioned, produced the special features. I was shocked at sort of how poetic and beautiful both films were, in particular Forbidden Letters, and their clever navigating at an incredibly limited budget.
VS also previously released his film Buddies which is not an adult film, and is a rather poignant AIDS drama.

I never thought I'd be a guy who collects gay porn, but I like that these (including the Halsted) are historically significant works with an artistic bent, and that owning them doesn't make me feel like part of the raincoat brigade. Which is very weird, considering that they certainly wouldn't have screened originally with a special section in the audience for those only observing for anthropological purposes

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#784 Post by senseabove » Sat May 28, 2022 6:44 pm

On that note, now that the market for historically significant gay and queer hardcore is growing, I really hope AI or VS rescue the extremely limited BD-R Wakefield Poole collection from obscurity, as it includes Boys in the Sand, sort of the gay Deep Throat, in the sense that it was something of a mainstream crossover success at the time, though it was before Deep Throat and is considerably more "artistic," with a classical score and pillow shots of Fire Island's natural surroundings chaining its three set-ups together; Bijou, which you might call 1972: A Gay Odyssey, involving a hallucinatory sexual tour through a surreal landscape of special effects, trick shots, and experimental editing; and Bible!, Poole's attempt at another crossover success by catering to straight audiences with Bible-themed softcore. I snagged what turned out to be the last of its 75 copies after hemming and hawing over it for the better part of a year, and I'd be delighted to not have something so precious. Boys... is even a newer restoration that isn't available anywhere else, including the in-print VS DVD. (For now, the whole set is available on back channels, should the above pique anyone's curiosity—in which case you're welcome :-$ )

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#785 Post by dekadetia » Sat May 28, 2022 8:36 pm

senseabove wrote:
Sat May 28, 2022 6:44 pm
On that note, now that the market for historically significant gay and queer hardcore is growing, I really hope AI or VS rescue the extremely limited BD-R Wakefield Poole collection from obscurity, as it includes Boys in the Sand, sort of the gay Deep Throat, in the sense that it was something of a mainstream crossover success at the time, though it was before Deep Throat and is considerably more "artistic," with a classical score and pillow shots of Fire Island's natural surroundings chaining its three set-ups together; Bijou, which you might call 1972: A Gay Odyssey, involving a hallucinatory sexual tour through a surreal landscape of special effects, trick shots, and experimental editing; and Bible!, Poole's attempt at another crossover success by catering to straight audiences with Bible-themed softcore. I snagged what turned out to be the last of its 75 copies after hemming and hawing over it for the better part of a year, and I'd be delighted to not have something so precious. Boys... is even a newer restoration that isn't available anywhere else, including the in-print VS DVD. (For now, the whole set is available on back channels, should the above pique anyone's curiosity—in which case you're welcome :-$ )
An excellent appreciation, senseabove. Indeed, these films deserve a larger audience. Bijou is particularly marvelous.

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#786 Post by swo17 » Sun May 29, 2022 12:35 am

I was wondering why some of that sounded familiar, and it's because the making and screening of Boys in the Sand was a plot point in Season 1 of The Deuce

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#787 Post by therewillbeblus » Mon May 30, 2022 12:42 am

So outside of Buster Keaton Rides Again, are there any notable titles that are on alert to grab now, at risk of going OOP? There are a few I’d like to wait on and pick up down the line on retail sites, but I also don’t want another Rad situation and I’m generally unaware of how this label works regarding print runs

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#788 Post by swo17 » Mon May 30, 2022 1:19 am

Who knows? It helps that they have a stock counter, but even then, a limited edition of 5,000 that's been out for a month will show the same "more than 1,000" whether it's 5% or 75% through its run

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#789 Post by criterionsnob » Mon May 30, 2022 1:35 am

Ilya Muromets is sold out of the LE and down to 345 of standard edition.

Some others appear to be getting low:
The Islands of Yann Gonzalez / You and the Night (LE: 70 / SE: 198)
Rebels of the Neon God (LE: 147 / SE: 240)

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#790 Post by therewillbeblus » Mon May 30, 2022 1:39 am

Right, I guess I’m thinking about something like Miami Connection compared to Thriller - A Cruel Picture, the latter of which had a special LE box, now an LE slipcover edition, and I imagine eventually a standard edition like Flesh for Frankenstein (three editions?) whereas Miami Connection and Cloak and Dagger seem to only have this print run- and maybe one more once this sells out? I guess I’m just confused about how the big stuff sells. The smaller releases are pretty simply an LE slipcover run then a SE run sans slipcover. I’m also unsure which ones are VG exclusives - some aren’t up on DD but aren’t listed as exclusives..

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#791 Post by pianocrash » Mon May 30, 2022 2:43 am

therewillbeblus wrote:
Mon May 30, 2022 1:39 am
Right, I guess I’m thinking about something like Miami Connection compared to Thriller - A Cruel Picture, the latter of which had a special LE box, now an LE slipcover edition, and I imagine eventually a standard edition like Flesh for Frankenstein (three editions?) whereas Miami Connection and Cloak and Dagger seem to only have this print run- and maybe one more once this sells out? I guess I’m just confused about how the big stuff sells. The smaller releases are pretty simply an LE slipcover run then a SE run sans slipcover. I’m also unsure which ones are VG exclusives - some aren’t up on DD but aren’t listed as exclusives..
I don't have much faith that any of the newer releases with low numbers will disappear for more than a short time to restock or possibly repress, save slipcovers (which are almost like printing money), but we all know that physical releases are beholden to contracts with numbers that we'll never be privvy to, so.....

Like anything else, if you want it now, go ahead and get it, or else wait six more months until the 50% off Black Friday sale, & maybe get it for a little less (if it's still in print!).

Additionally: a majority of the VS OOP page is mostly Vinegar Syndrome Archive releases, with the oldest after that series premiered regular banner VS title being 3 years old & higher. Otherwise, the AGFA releases (a majority of which are being reissued within the next year, some with upgrades), and the Music Box Selects label are right behind them (again, must be a contractual thing), not to mention the completely scrubbed from the site titles that are not mentioned for whatever reason (Memories Within Miss Aggie, Jack Frost, John From, most of the older AGFA releases, others?).

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#792 Post by EddieLarkin » Mon May 30, 2022 6:00 am

pianocrash wrote:
Mon May 30, 2022 2:43 am
Otherwise, the AGFA releases (a majority of which are being reissued within the next year, some with upgrades)
Do we have any details about this? It's the first I'm hearing of it.

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#793 Post by Ribs » Mon May 30, 2022 12:56 pm

$5 off voucher (one use only, $20 min): halfway5

Assuming you’ve already placed an order, they have a “add to order” option so you don’t need to pay for shipping again. If you use this code they’ll send an additional code for $10 off for next month’s partner only line-up. (And you can’t cancel orders to replace with this code)

I was absolutely beyond done but this got me to add Sister, Sister for not quite the price it’ll be at it in November but close enough to tide me over.

Something I didn’t realize when I ordered Cloak and Dagger a few weeks ago is that in addition to it being a lower price before the sale (which I knew!) is that you could get free shipping by meeting their minimums they have in place the rest of the year which are not usually in place for the sale, and just adding to existing order for the actual sale orders. So that effectively adds net $6 savings automatically.

As is very clear from them selling 10,000 copies of a $60 box set dedicated to one film that had only recently recieved a directly competitive release, they’ve definitely figured out how to get people excited to buy, this late coupon code an additional example of it!

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#794 Post by Glowingwabbit » Mon May 30, 2022 2:50 pm

EddieLarkin wrote:
Mon May 30, 2022 6:00 am
pianocrash wrote:
Mon May 30, 2022 2:43 am
Otherwise, the AGFA releases (a majority of which are being reissued within the next year, some with upgrades)
Do we have any details about this? It's the first I'm hearing of it.
AGFA stated late last year on Facebook/Twitter that they would be doing reissues of their OOP titles (minus SATANIS) with slipcovers and potential new content (about 3-4 a year). 2022 is the following: WICKED WORLD (just rereleased); BAT PUSSY from a new restoration; SATAN'S CHILDREN (w/o Satanis)

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#795 Post by therewillbeblus » Tue May 31, 2022 6:03 pm

To my surprise, I thought Flesheaters was a lot of fun- definitely one of the better awfully-trashy, low-budget, poorly-acted and written zombie flicks I've seen. The pace and structure is strangely offbeat- where a gruesome kill occurs at enough of a rate to keep one invested but the film's narrative pivots in a loose form and stalls on shamelessly banal T&A exhibitions with characters who haven't been introduced yet without any death payoff to eclipse the left-field presentation. None of the way this moves in its trajectory really makes any sense, though that's kind of what I loved about it- the filmmakers themselves just forsake any care whatsoever in a skeleton of plot to account for whatever mood they were in to shoot what they wanted to that day. As plainly bad as the film is, there are some clever gags, like how absurdly contrasted tones are between the silly and unapologetically violent one-two punchlines in a scene where a little girl answers the door on Halloween night to find the initial giant zombie at the step. This is basically like Romero's Dawn of the Dead if made on a budget the size of Night of the Living Dead and without a central focal point to drive its thematic or narrative or character interests, because it has none.

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#796 Post by therewillbeblus » Wed Jun 01, 2022 2:26 pm

Glowingwabbit wrote:
Fri Mar 25, 2022 12:56 am
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Also, cool spoiler in the art, VS Bro
It's not actually a spoiler until you say that. On that note, I guess I don't remember the movie well enough to know what it could be spoiling.
I literally just watched this today and have no idea what the spoiler is after scanning the cover for several minutes

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#797 Post by swo17 » Wed Jun 01, 2022 2:36 pm

He answered that on the top of the page following the quoted post

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#798 Post by therewillbeblus » Wed Jun 01, 2022 3:21 pm

Gotcha, I see that now. That's what I figured the reference was but
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there's nothing in their demeanor to signify their duplicity- and before the reveal, it appears that the old couple are going to potentially be fun supportive allies on the opposite end of the age spectrum (I kinda wish the film took this trajectory- for while I figured they were going to be left-field villains once we got into the car, there was a promising dynamic brewing with the elderly woman acting atypically hip for her age in aiding the kid just before). I guess what I'm saying is that it works to feature them prominently on the cover because the lead-up to their inclusion in the narrative raises no red flags, and since the film is a continual movement through setpieces accruing the involvement of new characters into the plot on the fly, it's fitting to passively wonder when so-and-so will come in. I mean, the central pic is the dad emerging from the fire at the very end, but I wouldn't call the existence of an explosion to be a spoiler!

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#799 Post by criterionsnob » Thu Jun 02, 2022 6:53 pm

Perhaps a sneak preview of tomorrow's announcement from Canadian International Pictures?
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Forbidden Love (1992)

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#800 Post by yoloswegmaster » Fri Jun 03, 2022 12:16 pm

Partner Titles for June are up:

Air Doll (Dekanalog)
Apocalypse After (Altered Innocence)
Final Flesh (AGFA + Drag City)
Forbidden Love (Canadian International Pictures)
Je Brule de Partout (Pulse Video - WARNING: Very NSFW cover)
Night Ripper (Culture Shock)
Out of Order 4K UHD (Subkultur USA)
Poly Styrene: I Am a Cliche (Utopia)
Potato Dreams of America (Dark Star)
Red Lips (Saturn's Core)
Superior (Factory 25)

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