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Re: Studio Canal/Kinowelt/Optimum

#1276 Post by swo17 »

I couldn't say, but don't forget that Criterion is likely releasing it this year as well.
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Re: Studio Canal/Kinowelt/Optimum

#1277 Post by hearthesilence »

I finally got the Studio Canal Blu-Ray of La Grande Illusion, and I have to say I'm disappointed. It's not terrible, I've seen much, much worse, but there's clearly some grain management going on, and I don't like it. Compared to any exemplary Blu-Ray disc transferred from a similar source of similar vintage (say, the very latest Casablanca BD - not the previous one) and you'll see what I mean. The grain is technically still there, but it doesn't look the way it's supposed to - it's almost like it's more clumped together and softened around the edges, almost smudged. I wish there was a better option because on my 55" HDTV, it bothers me.
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Re: Studio Canal/Kinowelt/Optimum

#1278 Post by EddieLarkin »

There was some talk about the grain being too fine and hard to notice, but this was explained by the fact it's a 4K scan of the OCN (what element for instance, was used for Casablanca?). I don't recall any clumpy/smudgy grain when I saw it (and do not see any now in the caps), but then that was a couple of years ago.
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#1279 Post by peerpee »

I'm with hearthesilence on this one. Grain shouldn't be visible in moving clumps and not in other parts of the frame like it is on this SC Blu.

FWIW, I would say it's definitely been managed, and the grain that is present isn't the sort reminiscent of a natural looking fine grain 4K OCN scan.
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#1280 Post by EddieLarkin »

I guess it wouldn't be a surprise when it comes to SC. I'll look closer next time I watch.
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#1281 Post by Kris »

StudioCanal degraines older films almost on a regular basis, even when they get perfectly restored material. So they managed to ruin Wild Strawberries in the first of their Bergman Blu-ray-Boxes (B00EQJ1N9S, not English-friendly), which is based on the same Swedish restoration as Criterion's. Especially it sucks in Smiles of a Summer Night, in which case the master is better than Criterion's, but very probably manipulated nontheless.

Screencap comparisons:
Wild Strawberries http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleic ... ultiID=481" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Smiles of a Summer Night http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleic ... ltiID=1477" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The Seventh Seal http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleic ... ultiID=179" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So for me that rules out StudioCanal's Bergman movies (they have two more boxes lined up).
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Re: Studio Canal/Kinowelt/Optimum

#1282 Post by hearthesilence »

I just got That Obscure Object of Desire and it's the same deal as La Grande Illusion, but even more noticeable. Again, the grain is technically there, it hasn't been wiped clean, but it doesn't look anything like real film grain. It's comparably clumped together, kind of mushy instead of defined and also it doesn't "move" right. It's definitely moving, but often times it's almost like it's moving at a different rate from the actual film rate, if that makes sense. The clumps of 'grain' has this effect where it's kind of "phasing" from one arrangement to the next - again, for a really exemplary BD, if I really focus on the film grain, it'll be repositioning rapidly but non-intrusively at pretty much every frame.
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Re: Studio Canal/Kinowelt/Optimum

#1283 Post by Drucker »

I thought most of the reviews here when Grand Illusion BD came out were good. I don't have the best set-up in the world, but this is definitely something I have not noticed (as opposed to The Trial where I thought Canal's BD was really egregious).

Is the consensus on Quai Des Brumes still positive? Or is anyone seeing this stuff there as well? Just wondering.
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#1284 Post by MichaelB »

Drucker wrote:I thought most of the reviews here when Grand Illusion BD came out were good.
Svet gave it a perfect score for video.
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#1285 Post by Drucker »

But he did for La Grande Illusion as well.

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Film grain is also very well resolved and evenly distributed throughout the entire film. Additionally, it is clear that after the restoration overzealos sharpening corrections have not been performed.
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Re: Studio Canal/Kinowelt/Optimum

#1286 Post by javi82 »

For Obscure, Beaver stated "It has a tendency to dull and waxy but never excessive enough to point fingers."
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Re: Studio Canal/Kinowelt/Optimum

#1287 Post by hearthesilence »

FWIW, the grain management may be most noticeable around the reel changes. Maybe there's more wear in those areas and restoring those spots involved heavier handling all around?
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Re: Studio Canal/Kinowelt/Optimum

#1288 Post by shaky »

Just to make sure, this upcoming Studio Canal Ealing blu-ray boxset containing KIND HEARTS, THE LAVENDER HILL MOB, THE MAN IN THE WHITE SUIT, is simply a collection of the already released Optimum discs, correct?
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#1289 Post by RossyG »

Yes.
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#1290 Post by L.A. »

DVDBeaver reviews the BD of Dead of Night (1945).
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#1291 Post by manicsounds »

Hobson's Choice BD review by Blu-ray.com

Great film, great transfer and audio scores, but a bit light on extras compared to the Criterion. (They are new though, not on the older UK DVD)
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#1292 Post by manicsounds »

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#1294 Post by criterion10 »

Glad I didn't buy the Twilight Time Blu-Ray of The Driver yet...
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#1295 Post by Finch »

Thank you Studio Canal!
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#1297 Post by NABOB OF NOWHERE »

I posted a link to the cover a few days back which seems to have disappeared into the ether. Anyway it is truly horrendous. Instead of Daybreak we have nuclear meltdown on Gabin We can only hope the contents bode better.
Also hope that UK showing 87 mins instead of 93 is also an error.
http://www.amazon.fr/Jour-se-l%C3%A8ve- ... ur+se+leve" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Jacques Tati Collection

#1298 Post by pointless »

Jacques Tati Collection

From Blu-ray.com:

On July 21, StudioCanal will also release on Blu-ray in the United Kingdom the Jacques Tati Collection, which will include the new 4K restoration of PlayTime.
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Re: Studio Canal/Kinowelt/Optimum

#1299 Post by JamesF »

Studiocanal's latest press release for The Driver says it will include the alternate opening as an extra, so aside from the lack of isolated score it looks like it will be a fine alternative to the Twilight Time disc, assuming they don't muck up the transfer.
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Re: Studio Canal/Kinowelt/Optimum

#1300 Post by MichaelB »

They haven't - I thought it looked great.
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