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#1826 Post by **domino harvey** » Sun Jan 03, 2016 6:52 pm

Huh? It's listed in there, where it's been since early last year...

TMDaines · #1827 Post by **TMDaines** » Sun Jan 03, 2016 7:12 pm

That's odd. Tapatalk is picking up an old version of the page it seems:

#1828 Post by **domino harvey** » Sun Jan 03, 2016 7:17 pm

Hmm, well that does explain why we were on different pages (literally?) here! Can you tell me what the Genre Lists portion looks like? It'd help me to be able to pinpoint when Taptalk last read that post

#1829 Post by **swo17** » Sun Jan 03, 2016 7:33 pm

Must be pretty old, because I updated that forever ago.

#1830 Post by **swo17** » Wed Jan 06, 2016 12:26 am

So TV has always been a bit of a gray area within the decades list projects, and it's getting grayer with the lax distinction in recent years between mini-series (which are eligible) and traditional series (which are not). Two specific examples come to mind that impact our next project:

1. Season 1 of True Detective, which is arguably a mini-series directed by Cary Fukunaga. Subsequent seasons have a different cast and creative team behind them.

2. The Knick, which is a little more complicated. All 20 episodes of the first two seasons have been directed by Steven Soderbergh. Reportedly he's done directing the show, but it will go on without him.

Thoughts? I wouldn't personally vote for either of these if they were eligible, but I just want to make the most people possible happy/I enjoy being difficult. Maybe we say that if it's a single season with the same director for each episode, it counts as a mini-series (ruling #1 in and #2 out)?

Wed Jan 06, 2016 12:28 am

Re: miniseries: True Detective yes, the Knick no

#1832 Post by **zedz** » Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:44 am

I think there should also be some clear component of being self-contained. If the subsequent series of True Detective were following the same characters or storyline, I'd argue that even the continued presence of a sole director wouldn't make it a mini-series.

(Though personally I'd err on the side of exclusion, since I think there's more than enough actual cinema to have to deal with, and I can still recall The Great Nothing Dummy-Spitting of '09 - or whenever it was.)

knives · #1833 Post by **knives** » Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:25 am

I agree basically, but wouldn't the excluding of The Knick (in its first two seasons) functionally also exclude von Trier's hospital show?

TMDaines · #1834 Post by **TMDaines** » Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:37 am

I think it is best to exclude both. I do agree that True Detective and its sequel are self-contained mini-series, but once the show is being commissioned indefinitely and has multiple seasons, you're opening a can of worms.

I'd personally love to vote for Forbrydelsen I and III, as they are again both self-contained mini-series with only the lead character and her superior carrying over. There were in fact listed as three separate mini-series on IMDb until about 18 months or 2 years ago.

I think it is much easier to classify mini-series and their sequels with something like Prime Suspect where each mini-series is essentially a two-part TV film of 90 + 90 minutes.

#1835 Post by **swo17** » Wed Jan 06, 2016 3:59 pm

Thanks for your input, guys. After giving this much thought (like five whole minutes), I'm leaning toward this definition of a miniseries:

1. All episodes directed by the same person/team
2. The series begins and ends with them, including in name

This keeps Riget eligible, but rules out True Detective, The Knick, The Killing, etc. Also, something like Winterbottom's TV version of The Trip would be eligible. And yes, I don't think the Prime Suspects are in question, as each installment is basically either a one- or two-part TV movie. They're even named like movies (i.e. Prime Suspect 2, Prime Suspect 3).

knives · #1836 Post by **knives** » Wed Jan 06, 2016 4:42 pm

Would that ban something like Band of Brothers which is directed by a variety of people with producer Hanks being more the guiding body or is that why you phrased it 'team'?

#1837 Post by **swo17** » Wed Jan 06, 2016 4:55 pm

knives wrote:Would that ban something like Band of Brothers which is directed by a variety of people with producer Hanks being more the guiding body or is that why you phrased it 'team'?

Sort of? Band of Brothers is unambiguously a mini-series though. I guess I meant my rule to apply only to things residing in that gray area between series and mini-series.

knives · #1838 Post by **knives** » Wed Jan 06, 2016 4:59 pm

Fair enough. Sorry for having you run hoops around this seemingly plain sighted issue.

TMDaines · #1839 Post by **TMDaines** » Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:05 pm

What's the point distribution going to be for the 2010-2014 list? 25-1 I guess? 50-48-46... 4-2 would be pretty nice though for making the top places in a ballot worth significantly more than just actually making a ballot and would be consistent with the other lists.

#1840 Post by **domino harvey** » Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:06 pm

So, I can still vote for the first season of Deadwood in the Pre-1920s Vol. 04 List, since Deadwood takes place before the 1920s, right?

#1841 Post by **swo17** » Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:34 pm

TMDaines wrote:What's the point distribution going to be for the 2010-2014 list? 25-1 I guess? 50-48-46... 4-2 would be pretty nice though for making the top places in a ballot worth significantly more than just actually making a ballot and would be consistent with the other lists.

Scaling the points like that would have absolutely no bearing on the rankings. (All points would simply be doubled.) There would be an impact on the rankings if points were assigned 50, 49, 48...27, 26 (namely, films appearing lower on more lists would have an advantage over those appearing higher on less lists) though I see no point in doing that.

Yojimbo · #1842 Post by **Yojimbo** » Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:35 pm

I think I'll pass on the 2000s list - unless you only need to post a Top 30

#1843 Post by **swo17** » Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:38 pm

For the 2000s you would need to submit a top 50. I would be happy to tell you what 20 films to watch over the next three weeks to fill out a list.

Yojimbo · #1844 Post by **Yojimbo** » Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:45 pm

swo17 wrote:For the 2000s you would need to submit a top 50. I would be happy to tell you what 20 films to watch over the next three weeks to fill out a list.

That's ok, thanks: I'll check out the various suggestions posted to see whether I can come up with a 50 that I'd be happy to stand over

TMDaines · #1845 Post by **TMDaines** » Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:55 pm

swo17 wrote:
TMDaines wrote:What's the point distribution going to be for the 2010-2014 list? 25-1 I guess? 50-48-46... 4-2 would be pretty nice though for making the top places in a ballot worth significantly more than just actually making a ballot and would be consistent with the other lists.
Scaling the points like that would have absolutely no bearing on the rankings. (All points would simply be doubled.) There would be an impact on the rankings if points were assigned 50, 49, 48...27, 26 (namely, films appearing lower on more lists would have an advantage over those appearing higher on less lists) though I see no point in doing that.

Fair enough. 25 to 1 works best.

#1846 Post by **zedz** » Wed Jan 06, 2016 7:00 pm

domino harvey wrote:So, I can still vote for the first season of Deadwood in the Pre-1920s Vol. 04 List, since Deadwood takes place before the 1920s, right?

You can only vote for certain episodes. Nothing will tell you which ones are eligible.

Grand Wazoo · #1847 Post by **Grand Wazoo** » Wed Jan 06, 2016 11:13 pm

I hear Soi Cowboy is eligible in each decade because it's a masterpiece that resides outside of time.

jindianajonz · #1848 Post by **jindianajonz** » Wed Jan 06, 2016 11:37 pm

domino harvey wrote:So, I can still vote for the first season of Deadwood in the Pre-1920s Vol. 04 List, since Deadwood takes place before the 1920s, right?

We really should have a forum inside joke FAQ; I'd recommend starting here, here and here. (Bonus points if you can guess all three links before clicking on them)

mizo · #1849 Post by **mizo** » Wed Jan 06, 2016 11:42 pm

Snubbing Barmy from your recommendations is an injustice on the level of Do the Right Thing not getting an Oscar nod. (And I don't think I joined till after he was gone!)

#1850 Post by **zedz** » Thu Jan 07, 2016 2:56 am

mizoguchi5354 wrote:Snubbing Barmy from your recommendations is an injustice on the level of Do the Right Thing not getting an Oscar nod. (And I don't think I joined till after he was gone!)

Oh, Barmy! (cue laughtrack) The guy was totally insane, but we agreed on films more often than not (which was indeed disturbing).

(And remember that time Dave Sim turned up under an alias to defend the mental health of Dave Sim?)

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