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Re: Recent Film Restorations

#476 Post by modernmalaise » Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:07 am

yoshimori wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:48 am
Tokyo Film Festival's World Premiere restos:

Yasmin Ahmad, Mukhsin [4K Digital Restoration]
Sadao Yamanaka, Priest of Darkness [4K Digital Restoration]
Sadao Yamanaka, Tange Sazen and the Pot Worth a Million Ryo [4K Digital Restoration and longest version]
Sadao Yamanaka, Humanity and Paper Balloons [4K Digital Restoration]
Hiroshi Inagaki, The Rickshaw Man [4K Digital Restoration]
The Yamanaka films being restored is really exciting. The Million Ryo Pot is one I adore--am curious to see if and how this version differs from what was on the MoC DVD.

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Re: Recent Film Restorations

#477 Post by The Curious Sofa » Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:19 am

Not sure this is the right place, but a question to those who know more about modern film restoration than me. I'm currently working my way through the Curzon Artificial Eye Louis Malle box set. I'm up to Black Moon and every color film has that green/yellow tinge which I see so much in modern restorations. It looks obviously wrong and I don't claim to be an expert. Not long ago I watched many of the recent Fassbinder restorations and all of them look too yellow and this goes for many other restorations of classic or vintage films. While I read a lot of complaints about this online, does anybody have a theory as to why this is so common ? To what extend is this driven by budgets or are these primarily aesthetic decisions ?
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Re: Recent Film Restorations

#478 Post by beamish14 » Wed Sep 30, 2020 1:16 pm

The Curious Sofa wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:19 am
Not sure this is the right place, but a question to those who know more about modern film restoration than me. I'm currently working my way through the Curzon Artificial Eye Louis Malle box set. I'm up to Black Moon and very color film has that green/yellow tinge which I see so much in modern restorations. It looks obviously wrong and I don't claim to be an expert. Not long ago I watched many of the recent Fassbinder restorations and all of them look too yellow and this goes for many other restorations of classic or vintage films and of course there is the . While I read a lot of complaining about this online, does anybody have a theory as to why this is so common ? To what extend is this driven by budgets or are these primarily aesthetic decisions ?
This is a great question, and I wish I could give you a comprehensive response. My initial concern is that, in transferring a film to a home
video format, technicians aren't engaging in the requisite amount of research regarding the way a film is supposed to look. Are they utilizing
vintage still photos? Can they project celluloid copies for reference purposes?

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Re: Recent Film Restorations

#479 Post by markant » Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:15 pm

The Curious Sofa wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:19 am
Not sure this is the right place, but a question to those who know more about modern film restoration than me. I'm currently working my way through the Curzon Artificial Eye Louis Malle box set. I'm up to Black Moon and very color film has that green/yellow tinge which I see so much in modern restorations. It looks obviously wrong and I don't claim to be an expert. Not long ago I watched many of the recent Fassbinder restorations and all of them look too yellow and this goes for many other restorations of classic or vintage films and of course there is the . While I read a lot of complaining about this online, does anybody have a theory as to why this is so common ? To what extend is this driven by budgets or are these primarily aesthetic decisions ?
There are several factors.

Is there an archival print in good condition that was approved by DP/Director as to colour to be used as reference?

If the scan is 4K and from O-Neg/fine grain masters, it is likely to reveal things that were never seen before in Older HD transfers inc. colour differences.

Modern day colour-correction has come a long way, film transfers used to be coloured on very good but still small 25-30” monitors, now it’s 55” minimum, so things are more visible to the colourist that just weren’t before.

Playback technology has improved but varies widely, with a range of picture adjustments that can make an amazing 4K image look awful. Unless your TV is on an ISF setting, or been calibrated, you have no way of knowing whether it’s correct or not. This is why people argue endlessly about x disc looking great/poor.

The other option is the restorers had no colour reference, the filmmakers unavailable and they guessed or didn’t care!

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Re: Recent Film Restorations

#480 Post by tenia » Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:54 pm

There's also the issue of a few labs leaving heavy color-signatures on almost all of their color gradings, no matter the movies or the restorations' supervisions, most likely because of the use and abuse of a couple of LUTs on way too many movies.

IIRC, Black Moon was restored and graded by Eclair, and dozens of their color movies' restorations have a distinctive recognizable signature. They've recently restored some Pialat movies : of course you can spot their blues and oranges almost in 1 glance. And sure enough, those movies now share the color palette of Black Moon but also movies shot in the 50s or in the 90s.

The Eclair Cinematic Universe. And their opponent, the Ritrovata Cinematic Universe. And the smaller contenders : the Paramount Cinematic Universe and the Fox Deluxe Cinematic Universe.

It's not an issue of monitor, calibration, lack of references or supervisions.

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Re: Recent Film Restorations

#481 Post by mhofmann » Wed Sep 30, 2020 4:10 pm

The Gaumont restorations inside the Louis Malle box set are quite controversial. I don't know for sure which restoration house did them - potentially Eclair - but many French (and Italian) restorations look leaning more toward either the teal or the yellow side. Their argument being that this looks closer to what would have been projected in a theater at the time, and hence a film print emulation LUT is applied.

I'm just not sure that this is really the case, though. Clearly many of the video and DVD-era telecine transfers were leaning too far toward magenta/pure white. And while it is true that a film print has certain color characteristics that are unlike these older telecine transfers, what some of the European restoration houses (Eclair, L'Immagine Ritrovata, etc.) deliver is clearly too strong in the other direction. I guess the truth may lie somewhere in between.

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Re: Recent Film Restorations

#482 Post by djvaso » Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:44 pm

In the second phase of "Vip Kinoteka" project the following movies are digitized and restored:
11. Balkan Spy (Balkanski špijun) (1984) Božidar Nikolić & Dušan Kovačević
12. Something in Between (Nešto uzmeđu) (1982) Srđan Karanović
13. Love Affair, or the Case of the Missing Switchboard Operator (Ljubavni slučaj ili tragedija službenice P.T.T.) (1967) Dušan Makavejev
14. Strangler vs. Strangler (Davitelj protiv davitelja) (1984) Slobodan Šijan
15. Special Therapy (Poseban tretman) (1980) Goran Paskaljević
16. All That Jack's (Majstori, majstori!) (1980) Goran Marković

Do Not Come Back Along the Same Road (Po isti poti se ne vračaj) (1965) Jože Babič is restored by Iridium Film (picture), L'immagine Ritrovata and Studio Ritem (audio). Tthe project is produced by Slovenska Kinoteka with the collaboration of Slovenian Film Center and Slovenian Film Archive and with the financial support of European Commision.

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#483 Post by Stefan Andersson » Mon Oct 05, 2020 12:59 pm

For the record -- some restored films:
“At Home among Strangers, a Stranger among His Own” (1974) by Nikita Mikhalkov
“Office Romance” (1977) by Eldar Ryazanov
“Uncle Vanya” (1970) by Andrei Konchalovsky
“Walking the Streets of Moscow” (1964) by Georgiy Daneliya
“The Rider Named Death” (2004) by Karen Shakhnazarov
“The Runner” (1984) by Amir Naderi
“Talisman” (1986) by Dariush Farhang
“Cold Roads” (1986) by Masud Jafari-Jozani
“The Scout” (1988) by Ebrahim Hatamikia
“The Last Act” (1989) by Varuj Karim-Masihi

Source: info about a 2019 film festival in Tehran: https://www.tehrantimes.com/news/433993 ... -Preserved

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Re: Recent Film Restorations

#484 Post by yoloswegmaster » Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:15 pm

Is the Lumiere festival going to be streaming the films online or is it in-person?

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Re: Recent Film Restorations

#485 Post by tenia » Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:07 am

No online version of the festival, I'm afraid.

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Re: Recent Film Restorations

#486 Post by movielocke » Thu Oct 08, 2020 11:08 am

yoshimori wrote:Tokyo Film Festival's World Premiere restos:

Yasmin Ahmad, Mukhsin [4K Digital Restoration]
Sadao Yamanaka, Priest of Darkness [4K Digital Restoration]
Sadao Yamanaka, Tange Sazen and the Pot Worth a Million Ryo [4K Digital Restoration and longest version]
Sadao Yamanaka, Humanity and Paper Balloons [4K Digital Restoration]
Hiroshi Inagaki, The Rickshaw Man [4K Digital Restoration]
The yamanaka is incredible news, is this festival going to be virtual? Hopefully a region A boxset in the future!

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Re: Recent Film Restorations

#487 Post by Michael Kerpan » Thu Oct 08, 2020 11:53 am

At first I thought Priest of Darkness might be a newly-rediscovered Yamanaka film -- but it turns out to just be a different title for Kochiyama Soshun. ;-)

Alas, I don't think of the TFF's films will be made available online (though supposedly some panels may be).

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Re: Recent Film Restorations

#488 Post by yoloswegmaster » Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:57 pm

tenia wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:07 am
No online version of the festival, I'm afraid.
Damn, hopefully they have proper saftey guidelines.

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Re: Recent Film Restorations

#489 Post by artfilmfan » Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:31 pm

movielocke wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 11:08 am
yoshimori wrote:Tokyo Film Festival's World Premiere restos:

Yasmin Ahmad, Mukhsin [4K Digital Restoration]
Sadao Yamanaka, Priest of Darkness [4K Digital Restoration]
Sadao Yamanaka, Tange Sazen and the Pot Worth a Million Ryo [4K Digital Restoration and longest version]
Sadao Yamanaka, Humanity and Paper Balloons [4K Digital Restoration]
Hiroshi Inagaki, The Rickshaw Man [4K Digital Restoration]
The yamanaka is incredible news, is this festival going to be virtual? Hopefully a region A boxset in the future!
A Region A box set with English subs, I hope. ;)
I have been curious about The Rickshaw Man. Would like to see a release with English subs, too.

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Re: Recent Film Restorations

#490 Post by A Tempted Christ » Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:26 pm

Stefan Andersson wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 12:59 pm
“The Runner” (1984) by Amir Naderi
“Talisman” (1986) by Dariush Farhang
“Cold Roads” (1986) by Masud Jafari-Jozani
“The Scout” (1988) by Ebrahim Hatamikia
“The Last Act” (1989) by Varuj Karim-Masihi
Here are some horribly compressed low-quality clips that are supposed to demonstrate the restorations. These were provided to ISNA, an Iranian news agency, by National Film Archive of Iran.
The Runner, Talisman (also known as The Spell), Cold Roads, The Scout and The Last Act.

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Re: Recent Film Restorations

#491 Post by tenia » Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:27 am

yoloswegmaster wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:57 pm
tenia wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:07 am
No online version of the festival, I'm afraid.
Damn, hopefully they have proper saftey guidelines.
I sure hope so : Lyon (like my current town Grenoble) just got upgraded to the Maximal Surveillance list for France's Coronavirus handling. This means all bars are closing down (not just past 10pm, but completely), restaurants will need to follow extremely heavy safety regulations, events can't have crowds larger than 1000 persons (which means that some of the events I'll attend will be about 70% empty since some places are designed to accept 3000 persons), no private assembly larger than 10 persons are allowed anymore (places like movie theaters are exempt because they have "extreme safety protocols in place"), and places like movie theaters or theaters will require attendees to wear a mask at all times (including once seated) AND to respect distanciation (ie 1 empty seat between groups - no idea how they'll handle that since pretty much all showings are already sold out through online advance booking which is unlikely to reflect how many empty seats are needed; hoprefully, they'll set up the showings capacity at 50% by default and that was it).

I do wonder what will be happening to the festival's bar, since it should theoretically be closed down, which is a shame because it was the perfect place to grab a coffee or a beer in-between movies. As for the rest, to be honest, it's just a ton of theatrical shows that will follow the health guidelines in place since some weeks already. I'm more afraid of the flow of people within the festival's "town hall", because it was designed more with a central hub than something more linear, so clearly, they'll have to do something to have the proper "entry this way / exit that way" flow of people.

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Re: Recent Film Restorations

#492 Post by tenia » Mon Oct 12, 2020 5:09 pm

tenia wrote:
Fri Sep 18, 2020 5:58 pm
I'll (normally) also see All The King's Men at Lyon next month, and will report about it.
Just saw it, it's a 2K restoration by the TFI from the OCN and looked on par with recent 2K restorations from the TFI for King Hu movies like The Fate of Lee Khan (MoC release). The worst issue is a couple of skipped frames at, IIRC, about an hour in. The introduction is also extremely wobbly and dupey, it's a long optical fade so I guess it's down to the elements but god the frame is warping quite intensely for these 4-5 minutes.
No color issue to mention IMO.

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Re: Recent Film Restorations

#493 Post by L.A. » Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:35 am

The Guardian delves into the rediscovery of Iranian film Chess of the Wind.

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#494 Post by Jvlivs » Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:25 pm

Mosfilm uploaded the restored Letter Never Sent on their YouTube channel in 4K and with English subtitles yesterday
https://youtu.be/CVU_Xu_AXNQ

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#495 Post by cowboydan » Wed Oct 14, 2020 1:07 am

Jvlivs wrote:
Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:25 pm
Mosfilm uploaded the restored Letter Never Sent on their YouTube channel in 4K and with English subtitles yesterday
https://youtu.be/CVU_Xu_AXNQ
Does anyone know if this is sourced from the same master as the Criterion release?

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#496 Post by Calvin » Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:06 am

cowboydan wrote:
Jvlivs wrote:
Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:25 pm
Mosfilm uploaded the restored Letter Never Sent on their YouTube channel in 4K and with English subtitles yesterday
https://youtu.be/CVU_Xu_AXNQ
Does anyone know if this is sourced from the same master as the Criterion release?
It's a new restoration

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Re: Recent Film Restorations

#497 Post by Roger Ryan » Wed Oct 14, 2020 4:34 pm

Calvin wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:06 am
cowboydan wrote:
Jvlivs wrote:
Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:25 pm
Mosfilm uploaded the restored Letter Never Sent on their YouTube channel in 4K and with English subtitles yesterday
https://youtu.be/CVU_Xu_AXNQ
Does anyone know if this is sourced from the same master as the Criterion release?
It's a new restoration
This looks remarkably better than the source Criterion used (at least as represented on the Channel). Criterion's source looks softer with poorer contrast and the majority of the film shows visible wear-and-tear (lines, dirt specks, etc.). This new restoration looks pristine.

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#498 Post by tenia » Wed Oct 14, 2020 4:35 pm

Lyon will be getting evening curfews starting this saturday, meaning my Dersou Ouzala showing will be cancelled. I wont be able to report on it.

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Re: Recent Film Restorations

#499 Post by FrauBlucher » Wed Oct 14, 2020 4:50 pm

That's too bad. I'm really curious about how it looks

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#500 Post by tenia » Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:40 pm

FrauBlucher wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 4:50 pm
That's too bad. I'm really curious about how it looks
Yeah, me too. It's amongst those I have no idea how it can look and it seems impossible to find out on the internet, so I'd have loved to be able to discover the movie through this new resto. But the pandemic gotta pandemic...

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