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Re: Kino

#3326 Post by hearthesilence » Fri Apr 30, 2021 12:14 pm

Glowingwabbit wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 12:08 pm
R. Emmet Sweeney tweeted about a 2-disc collection of Ken Jacobs' films. It says volume 1 on it as well. Pretty exciting as I don't believe his work has gotten any US release before (besides some anthology series perhaps). The cover is also posted in the tweet: https://twitter.com/r_emmet/status/1388 ... 30628?s=20

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Oh nice! I never expected to see this anytime soon (if ever). I've seen a few at Anthology, but will definitely be picking this up.

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Re: Kino

#3327 Post by soundchaser » Fri Apr 30, 2021 12:20 pm

No 3-D Blu-Ray, though? Feels odd to be releasing Jacobs’s work bereft of a huge part of its identity.

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Re: Kino

#3328 Post by Glowingwabbit » Fri Apr 30, 2021 12:23 pm

They already released two films by his son (including one that he appears in) so I wonder if discussions for this happened at the same time.

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Re: Kino

#3329 Post by What A Disgrace » Fri Apr 30, 2021 1:24 pm

How many volumes will they release before we finally get Star Spangled To Death? Probably my most sought after film of the 2000s.

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Re: Kino

#3330 Post by JSC » Fri Apr 30, 2021 5:14 pm

Kino is putting out Gordon Parks final film Moments Without Proper Names (1987). Will
also include a short film from 1964, Flavio.

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Re: Kino

#3331 Post by criterionsnob » Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:35 pm

Poison is now streaming on Criterion Channel, and it has the same 4:3 stretching issues as noted above. It's the same on Kanopy. Such a shame. I'm not holding much hope Kino have fixed this for the Blu-ray.

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Re: Kino

#3332 Post by hearthesilence » Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:57 pm

criterionsnob wrote:
Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:35 pm
Poison is now streaming on Criterion Channel, and it has the same 4:3 stretching issues as noted above. It's the same on Kanopy. Such a shame. I'm not holding much hope Kino have fixed this for the Blu-ray.
Jesus, I actually ordered this over the weekend without knowing about these issues.

According to their site, Haynes recorded a new intro and Dennis Lim wrote some new liner notes - I'm hoping that somehow translates into one of them getting an early peek and hopefully catching it if it is indeed stretched.

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Re: Kino

#3333 Post by senseabove » Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:25 pm

Are the problems clearly described anywhere? It can't hurt to mention it in one of the KL threads on the the br.com/HTF forums...

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Re: Kino

#3334 Post by criterionsnob » Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:17 pm

My memory on this was fuzzy, but I just remembered I had emailed Zeitgeist about the stretching on the Poison DVD back in 2011. I dug up the email. This was their response back then, so perhaps there really is nothing that could be done, other than maybe reverse Wong Kar Wai-ing it back to 4:3.
The story with the mockumentary sections is this: the film was shot in 16mm, with all the name/place IDs sitting pretty close to title-safe on the image. When the film was blown up to 35mm and matted to 1.85 for its theatrical presentation, the title safe situation was exacerbated.

Since the best available film element from which to transfer from was the 35mm internegative (all 16mm sources having gone missing long ago), we had to deal with the choice of either cutting off a lot text in those sections, or slightly tilting the frame (hence the stretching) to get as much of it on screen as possible. We chose the later, and while it wasn't a perfect solution, it was, on balance, the best one.
I still wonder though if Haynes was involved in this decision. I don't recall it being an issue on the original VHS copy I watched many times in the late 90s.

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Re: Kino

#3335 Post by hearthesilence » Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:38 pm

Couldn't they have shrunk the image they got from the 35mm internegative and "framed" a non-stretched presentation with the least-distracting border possible (all white or all black)? Or am I misinterpreting the issue (that is, shrinking it wouldn't be a fix)?

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Re: Kino

#3336 Post by CSM126 » Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:17 pm

Maybe I’m an idiot but I fail to see why they “have” to stretch the image of all the information is already there. Sounds like matting to 1.85 is the issue and, I dunno, maybe don’t do that?

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Re: Kino

#3337 Post by hearthesilence » Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:29 pm

I'm guessing the matted picture is their only "good" option unless they find those lost full-frame 16mm elements, but again, why would you need to stretch it? It makes less sense the more I think about it because if something's not title safe, wouldn't you want to contract the image rather than expand it?

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Re: Kino

#3338 Post by JSC » Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:08 pm

Bertrand Tavernier's The Clockmaker of St. Paul is being released August 24.

https://www.kinolorber.com/product/the- ... ul-blu-ray

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Re: Kino

#3339 Post by JSC » Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:35 pm

Kino is releasing Moderato cantabile (Seven Days...Seven Nights) on Sept. 28.

https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=28758

Never seen this, so I'm a bit curious considering some of the talent involved:
Directed by Peter Brook, based on a novel by Marguerite Duras. With Jeanne Moreau and Jean-Paul Belmondo.

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Re: Kino

#3340 Post by domino harvey » Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:16 am

It’s very, very dull. A curio perhaps only notable these days for Moreau’s punny cameo in Godard’s Une femme est une femme due to both productions sharing Belmondo and the same cafe location for the day

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Re: Kino

#3341 Post by _shadow_ » Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:09 am

criterionsnob wrote:
Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:17 pm
My memory on this was fuzzy, but I just remembered I had emailed Zeitgeist about the stretching on the Poison DVD back in 2011. I dug up the email. This was their response back then, so perhaps there really is nothing that could be done, other than maybe reverse Wong Kar Wai-ing it back to 4:3.
The story with the mockumentary sections is this: the film was shot in 16mm, with all the name/place IDs sitting pretty close to title-safe on the image. When the film was blown up to 35mm and matted to 1.85 for its theatrical presentation, the title safe situation was exacerbated.

Since the best available film element from which to transfer from was the 35mm internegative (all 16mm sources having gone missing long ago), we had to deal with the choice of either cutting off a lot text in those sections, or slightly tilting the frame (hence the stretching) to get as much of it on screen as possible. We chose the later, and while it wasn't a perfect solution, it was, on balance, the best one.
I still wonder though if Haynes was involved in this decision. I don't recall it being an issue on the original VHS copy I watched many times in the late 90s.
The issue is not present on the first DVD release of the film. I'm not understanding the issue with the 35mm internegative - was it hard-matted? That is not typical, to my understanding, and would be even more bizarre in the context of a 16-mm sourced film with significant information outside the 1.85 area.

It's INCREDIBLY disappointing that it seems this will not be corrected for this release, and honestly, it's a deal-breaker for me buying it, when I would otherwise be pre-ordering.

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Re: Kino

#3342 Post by rockysds » Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:02 am

Kino Lorber has acquired the North American rights to the Amos Gitai Film Collection, comprising 22 films. Full Variety story.

“We could not be more proud to re-introduce his output in luminously restored versions for new acquaintance or rediscovery by North American audiences,” added Lorber.

Lorber will make the Amos Gitai Film Collection available to arthouses and Jewish film festivals immediately. The collection will also be released with new masters on DVD and Blu-ray, on Kino Lorber’s Kino Now TVOD platform plus other major TVOD and subscription services.

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Re: Kino

#3343 Post by JSC » Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:20 pm

Kino is putting out Jean-Louis Trintignant's first film as director
Une journée bien remplie (A Full Day's Work) on Sept. 28.

https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=28779

Has anyone seen this, or recommend it?

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