1098 The Damned

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Fred Holywell
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Re: 1098 The Damned

#26 Post by Fred Holywell » Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:23 pm

ellipsis7 wrote:
Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:16 am
Interesting to see Visconti: Man of Two Worlds, 1969 as an extra, but can't see much about it...

Man of Three Worlds: Luchino Visconti, 1966 is a BBC documentary included as an extra on SENSO...

I'm assuming they never got round to completing the trilogy with Visconti: Man of Four Worlds...
I wonder if that's the same faded-looking behind-the-scenes doc that's on the Warners DVD under the title Visconti. I can't find any info about a 1969 show titled Visconti: Man of Two Worlds. But it is the tagline of the other one, and someone may have just decided to rebrand it. (A bit of a stretch, perhaps, but I'll stick with it till proven otherwise. :wink:)

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Re: 1098 The Damned

#27 Post by kekid » Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:36 pm

therewillbeblus wrote:
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I'm with Pauline Kael on this one, and while I will not post her entire spot-on evisceration, this shall do
Pauline Kael wrote:I have rarely seen a picture I enjoyed less than THE DAMNED, a ponderously perverse spectacle
The same Pauline Kael praised "Last Tango in Paris" as one of the greatest films ever made. I guess "ponderously perverse" is selectively applied based on how one responds to the film. I have found Pauline Kael to be a very reliable critic. Her sympathies are consistently opposed to mine.

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Re: 1098 The Damned

#28 Post by therewillbeblus » Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:21 pm

I also find myself opposed to Kael in many of her opinions, but obviously there are going to be some crossovers for anyone (even Armond White!) and not 100% disagreement across the board. Her praise for Blow Out and Pretty Poison, as well as Godard's La Chinoise and Masculin Feminin, are very interesting reads. Again, I only posted the opening line of her review for The Damned, and mostly for the initial "I've rarely seen a film I enjoyed less than this" quip- so you'd need to read the rest of the long writeup to see how she breaks down one film vs. the other. It's not really fair to compare her opinions on each film based on a broad line like that, as regardless of what one thinks of her, she certainly explains her positions in detail.

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Re: 1098 The Damned

#29 Post by beamish14 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:36 pm

I'll always love how Kael was one of the only American film critics to truly understand the brilliance of Zemeckis and Gale's Used Cars

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Re: 1098 The Damned

#30 Post by MichaelB » Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:01 pm

She also completely understood where ReAnimator and Parents were coming from.

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#31 Post by Randall Maysin » Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:02 pm

I feel like Kael was a massively eccentric free spirit who was bizarrely frozen at a very particular time in her development. Like, I used to basically be Pauline Kael LOL, still feel close to much of what she has to say, but now I'm in a more mature, John Simon-ish or Jonathan Rosenbaum-y camp, and I think the latter logically and comfortably grew out of the former. I wonder what my affinity for Kael and Simon says about me, but....let's put that to one side. I certainly don't admire everything about them! Her "affinity" for people like Bertolucci, for god's sake, and if you ask me, Scorsese, seems like something she didn't really logically think through based on her other very firmly held standards expressed elsewhere frequently in her work. She had no patience for puerile, Beat-poetish, or poseur-ish filmmaking, a Simon-ish standard, although she did occasionally not hold to that, and yet she swooned over something as nasty and foolish and humanly hollow as 1900! Or like the opinion of a very intelligent child for whom an overpowering experience is sort of what they think is real meaning. Some of this is definitely me projecting myself onto her, but... And her steadfast refusal to see the point in rewatching a film seems as I get older to be an utterly humanly absurd thing to believe, and like something that, you know, just existing would end up convincing her otherwise.

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Re: 1098 The Damned

#32 Post by Fred Holywell » Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:49 pm

Randall Maysin wrote:
Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:02 pm
... her steadfast refusal to see the point in rewatching a film...
If that's the case, then Kael and Visconti weren't likely to ever see (side) eye to (side) eye.
Interviewer: Do you make films with that in mind, that it must be seen more than once?

Visconti: Oh, yes, yes. Two or three times.
Luchino Visconti "The Damned" 1969 - Bobbie Wygant Archive
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Re: 1098 The Damned

#33 Post by bfaison » Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:25 pm

I'm ecstatic for this especially coming from Criterion, but can't help but wonder what's up with Ludwig? I missed out on the Arrow Limited Edition and it seems to have been abandoned for a standard release.

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Re: 1098 The Damned

#34 Post by Fred Holywell » Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:35 pm

A couple of notes on the Italian-language soundtrack: Helmut Berger is dubbed by actor Giancarlo Giannini (as he was in the Italian version of "Ludwig").

And Umberto Orsini, the only Italian member of the main cast, was dubbed with a British accent in the English-language version (to better match his co-stars). His actual voice can be heard on the Italian soundtrack.

Too bad Criterion isn't including the German-language dub, though. Not only is it more appropriate to the milieu than either the English or Italian soundtracks, but it seems to take the camp level up a notch or two. (If that's what you're looking for.)

Here's a German-language scene of the Von Essenbeck family spending a typical evening at home together.

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Re: 1098 The Damned

#35 Post by Toby Dammit » Sat Jul 17, 2021 12:01 pm

Do you think that Criterion's decision to release this movie in September might be linked to the upcoming premiere of "The House of Gucci" and the smashing hit of the "Succession" TV series?
I think the restoration of the Cineteca di Bologna was completed a couple of years ago, so maybe this sudden interest from Criterion to incorporate it to its catalog comes from these similar-themed features. BTW, I would love to see Patrizia Reggiani (played by Lady Gaga) as a renewed version of evil Sophie Von Essenbeck.

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Re: 1098 The Damned

#36 Post by Gerald Christie » Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:59 pm

Toby Dammit wrote:
Sat Jul 17, 2021 12:01 pm
Do you think that Criterion's decision to release this movie in September might be linked to the upcoming premiere of "The House of Gucci" and the smashing hit of the "Succession" TV series?
I think the restoration of the Cineteca di Bologna was completed a couple of years ago, so maybe this sudden interest from Criterion to incorporate it to its catalog comes from these similar-themed features. BTW, I would love to see Patrizia Reggiani (played by Lady Gaga) as a renewed version of evil Sophie Von Essenbeck.

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I don't mean to come off as a troll or anything, but what does Succession or The House of Gucci have to do with this movie?

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#37 Post by Computer Raheem » Sat Jul 17, 2021 5:10 pm

Gerald Christie wrote:
Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:59 pm
Toby Dammit wrote:
Sat Jul 17, 2021 12:01 pm
Do you think that Criterion's decision to release this movie in September might be linked to the upcoming premiere of "The House of Gucci" and the smashing hit of the "Succession" TV series?
I think the restoration of the Cineteca di Bologna was completed a couple of years ago, so maybe this sudden interest from Criterion to incorporate it to its catalog comes from these similar-themed features. BTW, I would love to see Patrizia Reggiani (played by Lady Gaga) as a renewed version of evil Sophie Von Essenbeck.

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I don't mean to come off as a troll or anything, but what does Succession or The House of Gucci have to do with this movie?
I think that OP was attempting to say that Criterion's release of the film might be related to much of current pop culture's fixation on watching the exploits of wealthy people who commit horrid act after horrid act to fulfill their extremely self-centered desires. However, I do agree with you that their reasoning is a bit of a stretch; I highly doubt that the release of this film and the interest in media like it in the past few years are anything but coincidental.

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Re: 1098 The Damned

#38 Post by R0lf » Sun Jul 18, 2021 8:38 am

If we’re going down this path I’m just dying for a Bradley Cooper Lady Gaga re team remake of WILD STRAWBERRIES, obviously.

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Re: 1098 The Damned

#39 Post by Toby Dammit » Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:24 pm

Computer Raheem wrote:
Sat Jul 17, 2021 5:10 pm
I think that OP was attempting to say that Criterion's release of the film might be related to much of current pop culture's fixation on watching the exploits of wealthy people who commit horrid act after horrid act to fulfill their extremely self-centered desires. However, I do agree with you that their reasoning is a bit of a stretch; I highly doubt that the release of this film and the interest in media like it in the past few years are anything but coincidental.
Thank you. Indeed, that was my point.

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