Vinegar Syndrome

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Re: Vinegar Syndrome

#376 Post by MichaelB » Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:37 am

denti alligator wrote:To pre-order or not to pre-order, even though I really only want Flesh for Frankenstein? Are the others worth it?
I went for it; I can always sell the titles that aren’t to my taste. I’ve only ever seen Trauma in unsubtitled Italian, on its original release in its native country.

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Re: Vinegar Syndrome

#377 Post by swo17 » Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:49 am

You can pre-order Flesh for Frankenstein by itself

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Re: Vinegar Syndrome

#378 Post by The Elegant Dandy Fop » Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:03 am

dwk wrote:
Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:46 am
There was a post in the Hong Kong cinema thread that said a cult label was going to start releasing Hong Kong titles before the end of the year. So I'm going with Hong Kong.
That was me! I can confirm the label I heard about was NOT Vinegar Syndrome and the films were not gory ones, but were rare martial arts films. They’ll probably come out next year.

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Re: Vinegar Syndrome

#379 Post by dwk » Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:19 am

The Elegant Dandy Fop wrote:
Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:03 am
That was me! I can confirm the label I heard about was NOT Vinegar Syndrome and the films were not gory ones, but were rare martial arts films. They’ll probably come out next year.
Thanks for the clarification. (Severin is working on a Brucesploitation box set, but that is known, so I doubt if that is who you are talking about.)

I guess the VS mystery title could still be a Hong Kong title, but now I doubt that it is.

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Re: Vinegar Syndrome

#380 Post by The Elegant Dandy Fop » Fri Sep 24, 2021 11:07 am

dwk wrote:
Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:19 am
The Elegant Dandy Fop wrote:
Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:03 am
That was me! I can confirm the label I heard about was NOT Vinegar Syndrome and the films were not gory ones, but were rare martial arts films. They’ll probably come out next year.
Thanks for the clarification. (Severin is working on a Brucesploitation box set, but that is known, so I doubt if that is who you are talking about.)
Unfortunately it IS that. I had no clue that was public knowledge. When was it mentioned? They’re doing the odd sequels to The Big Boss and Fist of Fury, which are frankly quite bad but fascinating.

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#381 Post by dwk » Fri Sep 24, 2021 11:10 am

I believe Michael Worth mentioned it in a podcast a couple years back and last year a number of the titles streamed from Alamo Drafthouse's virtual theater.

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Re: Vinegar Syndrome

#382 Post by Jean-Luc Garbo » Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:27 pm

Why isn't Trauma being sold by itself?

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Re: Vinegar Syndrome

#383 Post by dwk » Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:34 pm

The discs will be available to order individually in November. This is just a flash sale to pre-order the Black Friday releases.

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#384 Post by Jean-Luc Garbo » Fri Sep 24, 2021 2:07 pm

Ha, I forgot about the sale part of "flash sale" and how VS does bundles generally. I'll definitely pre-order Flesh - the prospect of it bundled with the Argento and mystery titles was very tempting tho!

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Re: Vinegar Syndrome

#385 Post by colinr0380 » Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:32 pm

MichaelB wrote:
Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:37 am
denti alligator wrote:To pre-order or not to pre-order, even though I really only want Flesh for Frankenstein? Are the others worth it?
I went for it; I can always sell the titles that aren’t to my taste. I’ve only ever seen Trauma in unsubtitled Italian, on its original release in its native country.
That sounds like it would be a rather strange experience, as it feels like Argento's most US-based movie! Not least with all of the American actors (Brad Dourif, Piper Laurie) in supporting roles!

I'm probably going to wait until the title pops up for 'normal' release through normal channels, but I'm quite excited at the prospect of replacing my heavily BBFC-edited (I seem to remember they really did not like all of the razor wire beheadings going on therein) VHS tape of Trauma. Also based on our discussion of James Wan's recently released Malignant a little while back, if he was influenced by Argento at all it might show through in the premise of Trauma of a botched medical procedure leading to all the doctors and nurses involved being targeted for retribution decades later.

(There is also that bizarre coincidence(?) that Trauma and Carlito's Way, both released the same year, have strangely similar end credit scenes!)

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Re: Vinegar Syndrome

#386 Post by denti alligator » Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:59 pm

MichaelB wrote:
Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:37 am
denti alligator wrote:To pre-order or not to pre-order, even though I really only want Flesh for Frankenstein? Are the others worth it?
I went for it; I can always sell the titles that aren’t to my taste. I’ve only ever seen Trauma in unsubtitled Italian, on its original release in its native country.
After seeing the price of the FfF standalone I took the plunge. You’re right, I can probably make back most of the money selling these later.

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Re: Vinegar Syndrome

#387 Post by M Sanderson » Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:17 pm

Any news of the transfer for Trauma?

A few years ago there was a terrible Blu ray from Europe, badly encoded and extremely unstable.

Hoping for something definitive by VS.

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#388 Post by Nw_jahrles » Fri Sep 24, 2021 7:01 pm

M Sanderson wrote:
Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:17 pm
Any news of the transfer for Trauma?

A few years ago there was a terrible Blu ray from Europe, badly encoded and extremely unstable.

Hoping for something definitive by VS.
I imagine it will be a definitive transfer. Vinegar Syndrome might be the only label that does there own scans of every title. So I’d be shocked if they were using an old master.

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Re: Vinegar Syndrome

#389 Post by dwk » Fri Sep 24, 2021 7:08 pm

VS no longer does all their own scans and the listing does not mention a new scan for Trauma.

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#390 Post by Thornycroft » Sat Sep 25, 2021 5:36 am

They will use other labs for scanning if they don't have access to the materials themselves (usually necessary for international acquisitions and cases where the rightsholder insists on using a particular lab) but I don't recall them ever using an older master for a release. I don't believe they've ever put out a release that they didn't colour correct and restore from a raw scan but I'm happy to be corrected.

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Re: Vinegar Syndrome

#391 Post by dwk » Sat Sep 25, 2021 9:59 am

I know they had nothing to do with the master for Rad.

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Re: Vinegar Syndrome

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Re: Vinegar Syndrome

#393 Post by yoloswegmaster » Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:30 am

October 2021:

Ticks 4K UHD
The Laughing Dead
Camille Keaton in Italy boxset (Madeline, Sex of the Witch, and Tragic Ceremony)
Nothing Underneath / Too Beautiful to Die
The Grave

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Re: Vinegar Syndrome

#394 Post by EddieLarkin » Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:08 am

Lots of Italian titles which is great, but it's disappointing to see that while Nothing Underneath and Too Beautiful to Die carry their Italian dubs, VS aren't bothering to offer translated subtitles for them. I know that English is the default option for the average English speaking Italian exploitation cinema fan, but there are so many of these films that play much better with their Italian dubs.

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Re: Vinegar Syndrome

#395 Post by dwk » Fri Oct 01, 2021 12:10 pm

Not including English subtitles is inexcusably cheap/lazy.

On that note, I recall a number of people complaining about how bad the subtitles in the Forgotten Gialli Vol 2 set are. So, maybe VS ought to spend less time/money on slipcovers and fancy packaging and more time/money on subtitling.

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Re: Vinegar Syndrome

#396 Post by domino harvey » Fri Oct 01, 2021 12:14 pm

dwk wrote:
Fri Oct 01, 2021 12:10 pm
Not including English subtitles is inexcusably cheap/lazy.

On that note, I recall a number of people complaining about how bad the subtitles in the Forgotten Gialli Vol 2 set are. So, maybe VS ought to spend less time/money on slipcovers and fancy packaging and more time/money on subtitling.
I mean, it just seems to highlight that the label is often selling the idea of the movies they release over anything else. They have a very good art department and smart marketing, but I can count on one hand the number of mediocre or better movies they’ve released, and with stuff like this, they aren’t even bothering to offer a baseline minimum of effort for those who do want these films

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Re: Vinegar Syndrome

#397 Post by Glowingwabbit » Fri Oct 01, 2021 12:18 pm

dwk wrote:
Fri Oct 01, 2021 12:10 pm
Not including English subtitles is inexcusably cheap/lazy.

On that note, I recall a number of people complaining about how bad the subtitles in the Forgotten Gialli Vol 2 set are. So, maybe VS ought to spend less time/money on slipcovers and fancy packaging and more time/money on subtitling.
It's definitely too bad since even on back channels you can't find a copy with the Italian audio that also has English subs

But to be fair the Italian Audio is being treated as a special feature as they are emphasizing the English version in the press release.
Vinegar Syndrome proudly presents both NOTHING UNDERNEATH and TOO BEAUTIFUL TO DIE on English language Blu-ray the first time[....]

Both films presented in their original English language soundtrack along with an optional Italian dub track (untranslated)

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Re: Vinegar Syndrome

#398 Post by agnamaracs » Fri Oct 01, 2021 12:28 pm

New partner label titles:
Boardinghouse (AGFA/Bleeding Skull)
Death of Nintendo (Altered Innocence)
Knife + Heart (Altered Innocence)
The Last Matinee (Dark Star)
Shatter Dead (Saturn's Core)
Shit and Champagne (Utopia)
Summer of 84 (Gunpowder and Sky; 4K)

According to my notes "Knife + Heart" and "The Last Matinee" were already released before their respective labels were VS partners (Dark Star is newly signed on).

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#399 Post by Glowingwabbit » Fri Oct 01, 2021 12:40 pm

agnamaracs wrote:
Fri Oct 01, 2021 12:28 pm
According to my notes "Knife + Heart" and "The Last Matinee" were already released before their respective labels were VS partners (Dark Star is newly signed on).
You might be think of Arrow Video putting out "The Last Matinee" in the UK (Dark Star is a film distribution company). "Knife + Heart" is just getting a slipcover added. Altered Innocence puts out some great titles but they have an annoying habit of rereleasing their titles with a slipcover and unlike VS they won't just sell the slipcover for folks that already bought the blu-ray. Luckily the slipcover looks awful imo,

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Re: Vinegar Syndrome

#400 Post by EddieLarkin » Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:27 pm

Glowingwabbit wrote:
Fri Oct 01, 2021 12:18 pm
It's definitely too bad since even on back channels you can't find a copy with the Italian audio that also has English subs

But to be fair the Italian Audio is being treated as a special feature as they are emphasizing the English version in the press release.
I'm sure that's the exact reason they aren't offering any here: none exist. Which means hiring a translator and making a new set, which yes I'm sure is expensive but it's only what every other cult label would do in this scenario (well except maybe Severin, who pulled this exact bullshit with Devil Hunter, a film that has an horrendously crap English dub, which no one in their right mind would want to listen to over the native Spanish version).

And unless these two films were shot in English with live sound (which hey they may have, but I seriously doubt it), it's really not for VS to be calling the English tracks the "original" ones and treating the Italian tracks as mere extras.

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