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Re: 1252 Performance

#176 Post by DeprongMori » Mon Nov 18, 2024 6:05 pm

Regardless of the supplements, mostly I’ll be ecstatic if they finally fix all the audio issues that have plagued every previous release and they don’t screw up the 4K and encoding. This will be maybe my fifth time buying this film.

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Re: 1252 Performance

#177 Post by Drucker » Mon Nov 18, 2024 6:09 pm

Well it very clearly states
with uncompressed monaural original-UK-version soundtrack

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Re: 1252 Performance

#178 Post by DeprongMori » Mon Nov 18, 2024 7:33 pm

Drucker wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2024 6:09 pm
Well it very clearly states
with uncompressed monaural original-UK-version soundtrack
That presumably answers the question whether the original voice tracks would be used, but I believe that had been claimed in some of the previous releases and some erroneous ADR crept in anyway. There have also been a fair number of documented issues with the audio in several of the musical pieces in prior releases. I am crossing all my digits that all of these problems have finally been laid to rest.

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Re: 1252 Performance

#179 Post by ryannichols7 » Mon Nov 18, 2024 7:39 pm

Randall Maysin Again wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2024 4:42 pm
Well, I'm going to be a Negative Nicholas and say that it is unfortunate however that there is no real academic angle to this edition, there are lots of experts who have a lot to say about this film, and some of them have written books about it, and some of THEM have worked with Criterion before. I don't think this Keiron Pim person counts as academic, as presumably his visual thingy will be more biographical in nature.
I don't like Roeg, but I will say during his life his releases didn't have scholarly supplements so I could maybe understand it back then. now, I wouldn't think they'd have to worry about that? this does seem like a disc that people have been requesting for ages, and I didn't realize the WAC disc is pretty flawed

as a huge Stones fan who hasn't seen this movie, I am amused that Jagger actually did an interview for it back in the day (presumably, any idea when it was produced?)

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Re: 1252 Performance

#180 Post by Randall Maysin Again » Mon Nov 18, 2024 7:54 pm

ryannichols7 wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2024 7:39 pm
I am amused that Jagger actually did an interview for it back in the day
It's a Performance orgy reunion!!! :D :shock: Maybe they can re-enact it, or maybe its filmed in a bed in a filthy, dark London flat with mushrooms growing on it. Here is a very handy website that collects some or all of the books, academic and otherwise, that deal with or extensively analyze this film or its making: https://performancethefilm.com/books-2/

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Re: 1252 Performance

#181 Post by Randall Maysin Again » Mon Nov 18, 2024 8:43 pm

It would be nice to have a commentary by Sam Umland or an interview with Colin MacCabe, or both. After all its pretty safe to assume this, like Drugstore Cowboy, is going to be a big or even huge seller for them.

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Re: 1252 Performance

#182 Post by _shadow_ » Mon Nov 18, 2024 11:58 pm

DeprongMori wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2024 7:33 pm
Drucker wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2024 6:09 pm
Well it very clearly states
with uncompressed monaural original-UK-version soundtrack
That presumably answers the question whether the original voice tracks would be used, but I believe that had been claimed in some of the previous releases and some erroneous ADR crept in anyway. There have also been a fair number of documented issues with the audio in several of the musical pieces in prior releases. I am crossing all my digits that all of these problems have finally been laid to rest.
My pessimistic expectation is that we'll just get the baseline of the original DVD release with the British voices but no correction for the "restored" audio that remixes out some instrumentation -- and probably the "Here's to old England" line that was dropped in that release and badly dumped back for the BD in what sounds like someone recording a TV broadcast from another room.

My dream would be to have the fully restored British audio, with all spoken lines present, and a more accurate music presentation.

The special features seem a bit thin - the Donald Cammel doc has already been released elsewhere, and it would be more useful to hear from his biographers Rebecca and Sam Umland to provide an alternative take.

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Re: 1252 Performance

#183 Post by MichaelB » Tue Nov 19, 2024 5:12 am

Given that there are no fewer than four excellent books on Performance plus the Rebecca and Sam Umland biography of Donald Cammell (all of which I've read, and what's really remarkable about the Performance books is the comparative dearth of overlapping info), to say that I'm not remotely exercised about supplements here would be putting it mildly. Provided they don't screw up the presentation of the main feature - and producer Sandy Lieberson's involvement is a hopeful sign that they're taking it seriously - it could be barebones for all I care.

It's one thing to be miffed about supplements where there's little or no discussion of the film elsewhere - I've just signed up to do a commentary for a film about which there's pretty much nothing available in English, and so I'm acutely conscious of my responsibilities there - but in this case there's loads.

Also, the Cammell doc (a hefty supplement in its own right) was on a UK-only Arrow release, and I'd lay money on it having been region-locked given the licensing source. So I'm sure the people who (a) don't import and (b) wouldn't be able to play it even if they did – i.e. a substantially greater percentage of the target market than the likes of us - will be very grateful for its inclusion.

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Re: 1252 Performance

#184 Post by pianocrash » Tue Nov 19, 2024 9:29 am

MichaelB wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2024 5:12 am
it could be barebones for all I care.
I agree with MichaelB on all fronts - as long as the presentation is great, this is a release and film that rewards multiple viewings and I'm happy it's here, and that more people can finally see it whole.

The UK HMV Exclusive BD edition of the film is one I covet and paid a hefty price for (and have given as a gift to many), so this will be the inaugural 4K plunge for me.

This is probably the only time I'd endure Richard Ayoade interviewing his father-in-law, but for both their sake's I'm not disappointed that's not happening \:D/

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