123, 361 Grey Gardens and The Beales of Grey Gardens

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kinjitsu · #26 Post by **kinjitsu** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 8:59 pm

CSM126 wrote:It's still misleading.

Undoubtedly, the director-approved status extends to Albert Maysles et al.

Buttery Jeb · #27 Post by **Buttery Jeb** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:05 pm

The new "sequel" for the film (now entitled "The Beales of Grey Gardens") will be playing this Friday and Saturday at the NY IFC Center, as their midnight show.

-BJ

tavernier · #28 Post by **tavernier** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:49 pm

Buttery Jeb wrote:The new "sequel" for the film (now entitled "The Beales of Grey Gardens") will be playing this Friday and Saturday at the NY IFC Center, as their midnight show.

-BJ

And the next two weekends as well: July 28-29 and Aug. 4-5.

j. alfred prufrock · Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:50 pm

NYTIMES has a write up on the new movie:

East Hampton, the mid-1970's: The documentary filmmakers Albert and David Maysles set up camp in a decrepit mansion known as Grey Gardens. There, amid piles of trash and mounds of cats, reside the eccentric Edith Bouvier Beale, a first cousin of Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis, and her mother, slightly less eccentric and also named Edith. Half mad and completely compelling, Little Edie and Big Edie flood the Maysles brothers' camera with their oddball antics and batty conversation. â€œGrey Gardens,â€

Anthony · #30 Post by **Anthony** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 4:29 pm

NPR link for anyone interested.

godardslave · #31 Post by **godardslave** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:29 pm

Note this can also be bought as part of an updated re-released package, still with spine 123.

which is nice.

CSM126 · #32 Post by **CSM126** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:33 pm

godardslave wrote:not rereleasing this together will the original in an all new package is silly.
They wont sell as many this way.

If I've deciphered this post correctly, you're wrong. The Beales of Greay Gardens is available both in a 2-discer with Grey Gardens and as a seperate disc. So, in fact, it is repackaged with the original.

godardslave · #33 Post by **godardslave** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:33 pm

CSM126 wrote:
godardslave wrote:not rereleasing this together will the original in an all new package is silly.
They wont sell as many this way.
If I've deciphered this post correctly, you're wrong. The Beales of Greay Gardens is available both in a 2-discer with Grey Gardens and as a seperate disc. So, in fact, it is repackaged with the original.

I just realized i was wrong, and I have edited my original post.

Cinesimilitude · #34 Post by **Cinesimilitude** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:51 pm

Its better to get the 2 disc to take advantage of the new transfer on the first movie right?

Gigi M. · #35 Post by **Gigi M.** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:52 pm

SncDthMnky wrote:Its better to get the 2 disc to take advantage of the new transfer on the first movie right?

What new transfer?

#36 Post by **Jeff** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:34 pm

Does it strike anyone else as mildly retarded that this new set has an MSRP of $50? I realize that it is cheaper than buying the two films separately, but it's still just a two-disc set.

Le Samouraï · #37 Post by **Le Samouraï** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:23 am

I was wondering about that too. Seems extremely expensive for a two-disc set compared to the other titles in the same price range. I really can't see anything justify this.

I am going to wait an see what MoC will do with their release.

Cinesimilitude · #38 Post by **Cinesimilitude** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:26 am

they may just shrinkwrap the reissue and the sequel together for selling it though, which would be two release, 10$ off when you buy both, deal.

Le Samouraï · #39 Post by **Le Samouraï** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:27 am

Well, it says "New digital transfer" on Criterion's HP. But I bet it's just the same disc released before.

NABOB OF NOWHERE · Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:28 am

Jeff wrote:Does it strike anyone else as mildly retarded that this new set has an MSRP of $50? I realize that it is cheaper than buying the two films separately, but it's still just a two-disc set.

It appeared initially at $39.99 for a few minutes . I clicked the back browser and there it was at $49.99. For a few scrambled moments I thought I was on e-bay!!!

CSM126 · #41 Post by **CSM126** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:45 am

Le Samouraï wrote:Well, it says "New digital transfer" on Criterion's HP. But I bet it's just the same disc released before.

New transfer of The Beales, yes, not of Grey Gardens.

Cinesimilitude · #42 Post by **Cinesimilitude** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:08 pm

no, the new digital transfer comment is on spine 123's special features, and then it says "now contains the beales of grey gardens' underneath he synopsis. so the special features pertain to the first film only.

mmacklem · #43 Post by **mmacklem** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:55 pm

Am I missing something here? This sounds like one of the longer documentaries that are often included on the second disc of two-disc releases. Why is this getting its own spine number? Why didn't Tokyo-Ga get its own spine number? Why didn't Polanski's short films get a separate spine number?

toiletduck! · #44 Post by **toiletduck!** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:05 pm

SncDthMnky wrote:no, the new digital transfer comment is on spine 123's special features, and then it says "now contains the beales of grey gardens' underneath he synopsis. so the special features pertain to the first film only.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the special features haven't changed at all, meaning that the "new digital transfer" is the same digital transfer that was new when GG was first released.

-Toilet Dcuk

redbill · #45 Post by **redbill** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:23 pm

mmacklem wrote:Am I missing something here? This sounds like one of the longer documentaries that are often included on the second disc of two-disc releases. Why is this getting its own spine number? Why didn't Tokyo-Ga get its own spine number? Why didn't Polanski's short films get a separate spine number?

Because it was made 4(?) years after the original DVD was released, and they don't want to force people to rebuy a disc they already own to get the new extra... Which really is a full-length feature....

Cinesimilitude · #46 Post by **Cinesimilitude** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:40 pm

toiletduck! wrote:
SncDthMnky wrote:no, the new digital transfer comment is on spine 123's special features, and then it says "now contains the beales of grey gardens' underneath he synopsis. so the special features pertain to the first film only.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the special features haven't changed at all, meaning that the "new digital transfer" is the same digital transfer that was new when GG was first released.

-Toilet Dcuk

well, if someone who owns grey gardens right now can say that the back says "new digital transfer' that may be the case. I dont own the first release so I dont know.

nick · #47 Post by **nick** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:53 pm

I don't want to post the actual image in the forum but if you click here you will see that the back of the original did indeed say ""new digital transfer."

Cinesimilitude · #48 Post by **Cinesimilitude** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:57 pm

alright, sorry for the assumption. It doesnt make much sense to me to reissue the original if it's just the same disc, without omething new. shrinkwrapping the two releases and then offering the discount would make more sense. we shall see.

#49 Post by **zedz** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:15 pm

redbill wrote:
mmacklem wrote:Am I missing something here? This sounds like one of the longer documentaries that are often included on the second disc of two-disc releases. Why is this getting its own spine number? Why didn't Tokyo-Ga get its own spine number? Why didn't Polanski's short films get a separate spine number?
Because it was made 4(?) years after the original DVD was released, and they don't want to force people to rebuy a disc they already own to get the new extra... Which really is a full-length feature....

Yes, I think the separate issue of The Beales is primarily a customer service. This was originally announced as a 2-disc reissue only way back at the start of the year. On the other hand, The Beales is more than just a supporting documentary, it's a film in its own right which has had its own theatrical half-life this year. Grey Gardens is a major American documentary and this is its sequel, so I think the independent release is justified. More so, in my opinion, than Tokyo-Ga would have been. It's a bit of a mismatch on the Ozu disc, but its pretty minor Wenders and would have looked very spindly on its own.

If this strategy works for Criterion, I assume we can expect the same sort of deal when the Hoop Dreams sequel is completed. I certainly think it's better than having take-it-or-leave-it reissues that are no more than original release + bonus disc, which would just piss off their customer base.

Blublub · #50 Post by **Blublub** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:23 am

zedz wrote:Yes, I think the separate issue of The Beales is primarily a customer service.

That's a very commendable move on their part. I thought they were headed down a completely different path when it comes to existing customers given with the anamorphic reissues and the Janus box set.

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